Yes, the shorter the TB the less likely the spike!
But if you are gonna do the shakes after, be more aggressive with the insulin this time. Add maybe another 1/2 unit. What do you think?
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Couldnât it also be the shorter TB?
Itâs so hard to pinpoint these things down to one variable.
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Its hard to say bc last time I added 1 extra unit and it didnât seem to have much of an impact on my (later) spike. But all I can do is experiment and try it again.
this morning at around 4am, my BGs started climbing from 90 to 112, so I changed my basals from 2am,4am,6am and 8am by .025. I think that there was a pattern emerging here. I hope I did the right thing. Time will tell. I just tested again (9:30am and my BG was 71, I took 1 Gtab and turned down my basal to 85%) Iâll b testing again, to c where it goes and then trust in the Force to make my best âguesstimateâ decision.
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Just to be clear, I am saying to add another 1/2 on top of whatever you did before.
But you know my belief that it is easier to correct a low than a high, so taking more insulin for me is preferable to not taking enough!
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What she did yesterday was an experiment of not drinking a shake. My idea was to remove just that one thing and keep everything else the same, just to try and isolate it.
But yes, she also did a shorter TB. So it could also be a factor. And when you change a bunch of stuff in en experiment, you really donât know for sure.
And yesterday she also added no running, just walking, and less heat. So we really donât know for sure.
So yes, I have over-simplified it. However since she has generally spiked after exercise when having a shake, I am saying the very simple thing to do is take more insulin. Just trying to get the broad brush strokes first, and then the smaller ones.
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LONGER TB TIME BUT LOWER BGS ALONG THE WAY:
So today I did another experiment. at 9:30am my BG was 71, so I took 1 Gtab (4gms glucose) and turned my basal down to 85%. But, within 1/2 hour, my BG shot up to 127 (what the heck???) So in my best judgement, I raised my TB to 90%. Not much of a difference, I know, but I figured I would try it out and see what happened. It turned out to be a rather good decision, despite the fact that after the first 45 minutes my BG came down a whopping 20ish points. But I took no Gtabs; I just kept going. also, what used to take me 2.5 hours on my feet took me only 1 hour and 50 minutes today. Big difference in speed, despite the fact that I was only speed walking, not mixing it up with running. According to my very inaccurate iPhone, I did 7.5 miles. (of course the last time I did the exact same route and my iPhone read 8.5 miles. Go figure.) I think I might be investing in that Gamit watch that Eric suggested! 
Today I left my house earlier than usual, so the weather was not as oppressive. It was hot and humid, but bearable. also, there were practically no people out there, which was a wonderful perk! Tomorrow Iâm gonna do the same bc it was well worth it. Totally stress free!
here are todayâs stats:
9:30am BG 71 took 1 Gtab and turned my TB down to 85%
10am BG 127 turned TB up to 90% and left the house ASAP
10:45 BG 104
11am BG 96
11:30 BG 79 took 1/2 Gtab and turned off my TB
11:55 BG 74 bolused aggressively for 2 Shakes (32gms) 4.2 Units and drank LOTS of water
So today is another experiement. weâll c if I spike in a couple of hours. weâll c whether I gave myself enough insulin for the shakes, and weâll also c if staying on that TB for 2hours made an impact on my BGs. (yesterday I was only on the TB for 1 hour.)
signing out,
DM
PS: my overnight BGs were as perfect and in target as could be. Havent a clue as to why I spiked from 71 to 127 within 1/2 hour between 9:30 and 10am. Hummm very curious (and I tested twice to make certain)
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I miss understood what u meant by taking an additional 1 unit from the last time I bolused for my shakes. Instead of adding ANOTHER unit on top of the 1.5 units, I only bolused for an additional 1 unit. (100% ICR plus 1 extra unit) so I think I might have totally screwed up the experiment .
weâll see. as always, I will keep you informed.
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Your numbers look great @daisymae! I hope no spikes today!
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The spike is already starting. And now, 2 hours after drinking my shakes, my BG went from 74 to 120 (and rising) I donât know how much more insulin I am going to need next. My CGM is reading steady (no upward arrow), so maybe (fingers crossed) this is how high will go. (easy to correct, as well)
I guess that this is just more info to put into my tool box for next time! UGH.
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Oh, shoot, but so far not bad at all. If that is as high as it goes, I think that is excellent, still in range. Fingers crossed no higher!! 
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Well, I lucked out today. 120 was as high as I went, and it was only for 1/2 hour (without having to bolus anymore insulin). My BGs ended up (quickly) coming back down to 100, and then down to 76.
So, I am going to repeat the test again tomorrow, but I will give myself a longer pre-bolus and see if that helps. You never know!
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Excellent! !
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Here is the link to the post that had the Nike links in it:
forum.fudiabetes.org/t/from-swimming-to-running-adjusting-to-the-pandemic
Here are the links on the Nike site.
Nike Odyssey React
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Eric, youâre too sweet, but canât u understand a girls gotta have a selection of pretty colors? Us gals are always willing to sacrifice beauty over function and comfort.Why do u think so many of us wear high heals despite our bunions?
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And besides, where do you think we began our happy road to over-pronation? U spend a day walking around Manhattan in 6inch heals 
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You are cracking me up!
I donât know anything about all the fashion stuff. But I DO know - form follows function. Get the right stuff first and then worry about what it looks like.
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Speaking strictly as a gal, âform over function??â NEVER. Fashion always a top priority. So, big deal, Iâll end up with some herniated discs, a need for hip replacements, and bum knees. But Iâll be looking damn good when I am going to the market with my walker 
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MY BEST GUESSTIMATE; A NEW SITUATION:
so today, before I lowered my basal to prep for my excursion, my BG was high at 114. so I only turned down my basal to a TB of 90%. I think that this was an error in judgement bc during my run I trended low the entire time and needed to fuel with carbs. Not that that is a bad thing, of course, but my fear is that with all the extra carbs on board, I may see a spike later on, and I am not certain if I bolused aggressively enough once I got home. Time will tell. I bolused exactly what I did yesterday bc that worked out perfectly, so I figured I would try the experiment again.
I left early today so as to beat the heat, but it was still very hot and humid out. (high 80s with 65% humidity) I was well rested, had good BGs overnight, and felt strong and comfortable. no difficulty breathing at all (Iâve switched to a lighter weight mask, and it is significantly more comfortable)
here are todays stats:
9:30am BG 114 turned on TB of 90%
10am BG 117 headed out the door with .2Units OB
10:30 BG 71 took 2 Gtabs (8gms)
11am BG 71 took 2Gtabs (another 8gms)
11:30 BG 84 took 1/2 Gtab (2gms) and turned OFF my TB
12:15 BG 61 took 1 Gtab and bolused 4.2 units to cover 32gms of refuel.
( donât know if this was the ârightâ thing to do, but I just did it using the Force and hoping for the best. I have never bolused when my BG is this low before, and it made me feel a bit nervous. I just figured that the Gtab takes about 1/2 hour to kick in and the insulin takes about 15 minutes to kick in, so perhaps it would bring my BG up enough to level me off 
.)
hoping for the bestâŚfingers crossed! 
signing out,
DM
EDIT: just retested my sugars 1 hour post bolus and 1/2 hour after finishing my shakes, and my BG is 83 (which is exactly what I was hoping for when I took the last Gtab.)
2nd EDIT: its almost 4pm and I have been going low ever since my bolus. so no spiking today (yahoo), just a need to take more glucose and stay above 70. thought I would keep you informed.
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Great run and numbers! So glad there is no spike, too.
It seems you took about 22g of gtab carbs over the span of a few hours. I think it is not unusual to drop 50mg in half an hour if you have 0.2U IOB. I can sometimes drop that in 20 minutes. If you are trending low during a run you might want to take more carbs upfront, too. For example, a Huma gel has 21g, almost the same as the gtabs you took. It might give you more energy, too. It took me a long time to feel comfortable taking so many carbs all at once during a run, but i took @Ericâs advice, and it really works.i used to do like you, 2g at a time of Swedish gummies. That was exhausting in itself! If you only need a few grams, then that is fine, but for more carbs, I think youâll feel stronger if you take more upfront. Just a thought for future runs 
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Thanks for this info. I will try this next time out. We were all out of Wheat Thins, so I didnât have much in the way of reliable carb sources. (well, I did have a KIND bar, but I wasnât certain how that might work, as I was trending UP before I left.
Afterwards I just kept dropping (not spiking) and finally, it was so exhausting to keep feeding the lows that I did a TB of 95%. I just tested and my BG is 66. I had a nibble of one of the KIND bars (yummy) and am waiting for the TB to kick in.
As I told you in my PM, I bought the Hoka One Stability running shoes. I chose the Gaviota 2s in âGrape/Purple.â OMG, will they ever stand out
I am just praying that they will be the correct fit, so that I donât have to go back and forth with UPS trying to exchange sizes. a royal PITA. The companyâs âsuggestionâ was that I buy a size 8 bc thats what I wear in my NB shoes and bc I wear an 8.5 in my Mizunos. Fingers crossed Thanks for ur suggestion on the shoes. They were VERY pricey, though$$$$ OMG. But, I also got the official seal of approval from Eric over my choice. Phew 
Iâll keep u posted on how my evening and overnight go. I am taking off tomorrow bc I am entertaining my cousins (again) and we are doing Chinese and a movie. ( They are starting to sell Indian food in our downstairs market, and they were giving out free samples today; DELICIOUS, but my cousins werenât interested 
)
Thanks again! Youâve been such a tremendous help and so supportive. I am still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that you were actually reading all of my swimming posts to get ideas for your running. Glad that I was actually able to help you in some way.
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