DN’s Running and Other Mishaps Thread

Sports & Exercise
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Okay today’s run… Supposed to be 3 miles at 8 min/mile with half mile warm up and cool down. I was going to do it on the treadmill but decided to make myself hit the road and stop being soft. :grin: It ended up being a very hard run, but I’m not so sure it was just the running that made it so. I had an overnight showdown with my diabetes and got my ass kicked— doing a crash/rebound of 30-500. So I was feeling rough this morning. I still managed to skip the late coffee and do an hour ZB, so everything was lined up right. Figured I could make myself get through it, but it was like an RPE of 8… from start to finish. Maybe 9 at the end. I hope that’s just feeling beaten up and not really the consequences of the run because that would be a little demoralizing.

A couple of BGs leading up to my run showed stable and good, ranging between 92 and 95.

Starting BG: 97
Mi 1: 103
Mi 2: —
Mi 3: 174!!

I didn’t test at mile 2 because I was really tired, and it was in the middle of a long hill. I figured, with my numbers how they were, I was safe to skip it. But I was surprised to see that 174 at the end. With no coffee, no food, no gels, nothing to explain it, and knowing I was working as hard as I was, is that the cortisol spike everyone, except me, seems to be getting all the time? Or, and I’m just pulling this idea out of nowhere, is there any chance the night’s extreme numbers just left a mess?

Anyway, my times were 7:52, 7:54, and 7:56, and they each, every one of them, felt like death. Still proud. :neutral_face:

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Race day only. Get the ones I linked.

Are they the same exact shoes except for maybe the color? Same make, model, size?

If they are the same, wear them again.

Use your phone for music. Use your Garmin to give you an easy to read pace.

I think you know that I don’t joke about this stuff.

Get those and then I will show you the cool trick. I think you should know by now, we don’t always use things in the way they were intended.

As long as it works and is easy to get to, that’s fine.

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When I give you a run that is geared for a specific pace, and you hit the pace but do it on a hill, that’s what you get.

Look at the Monday runs. You see some are based on tempo pace, and some are based on doing hills, without a specific pace.

You are not supposed to do them both at the same time.

It’s good you got it done, but we don’t want to wear you down. RPE of 9 is for race day only.

If you were going at an RPE of 8 for 3 miles, that sounds like what happened.

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Had no idea. Its been up to me lately, so I didn’t realize this was any different.

Don’t worry. I won’t forget.

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Quick summary of our “moving forward” conversation from yesterday for my own future reference. Because I am already checking it today to see if I understood it right, and I’m not sure I did…

If I understood the guidelines correctly, any type of interval work, like 1/2 mile or 1 mile intervals should be either on the treadmill, or flat ground. We said this would mean treadmill or track because there’s no other flat ground around here. Then you said same thing for any type of tempo runs, like 3-5 miles at a tough pace.

Then base miles or long miles can be outside, as long as you compensate for the hills by reducing your pace, and last, hill work requires hills. That one I understood. :smiley:

So I think I did fine today because these were base miles… and so back outside I went. Same exact route, more miles, slower pace, and I felt great. What a difference a day makes.

I had everything ready to go, with an hour ZB lined up nicely, when I got a call from the school. Needed to go pick up my son. So what would’ve been an hour ZB turned out to be longer, but I figured I’d just bolus after I got going if need be. To do insulin and put the run off sounded like it was going to be a disaster. So I was starting my run with well over an hour of ZB, no coffee since very early morning, no IOB, no recent food or activity, and a very stable BG of 97. I was at a 98 at the end of the half mile walk to the path.

Starting BG: 98
Mi 1: 83
*Stinger (grabbed it by accident! And it turned out to be fine)
Mi 2: 95
*.5 unit pump bolus
Mi 3.5: 95
Mi 5: 92 (finish)
*Resume basal and bolused one unit

I want to learn how to get good control on the hills. I pushed today, but it was nothing like yesterday. It was just a good solid push. I had a hard time finding the pace for a couple of the miles but did okay at others. The times were 8:22, 8:51, 8:48, 8:41, and 8:18, but my RPE today was closer to 6 than to death. :smiley:

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BG numbers are good, pace is good, RPE is good. Got all of it taken care of today the way it was supposed to go. Everything sounds fine.

Sounds to me like you understand it perfectly.
:+1:

What I would do is immediately turn the basal back on and bolus for a portion of what was missed. Like if you were on 30 minutes of ZB, just turn it back on and bolus for 1/2 of the basal you missed. That kind of gets you back to where you were, as if you never had the ZB.

Then as the time gets closer and the run seems like it is an hour away again or whatever, get back to your ZB and turn the pump off again.

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I love following this thread. Just because it makes me laugh as I try to figure out the use. I know Eric has a brilliant idea. But mine are funnier. Nicky running and proposing to four different folks mid-race. Wearing all of them at once so no one proposes to her during the race? :rofl: :joy: :bride_with_veil:

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All will be revealed…all will be revealed.

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Decided to make it a treadmill run today— though you didn’t specify pace work in the earlier explanation. I think today would be considered a run at a harder pace? Even though it also didn’t fit into your 3-5 mile description?? I know you’re like shouldn’t be this tough to figure it out, but it is. Anyway, I decided to play it safe and do the treadmill. Long story a little shorter.

The workout was 6 miles at 7.0 pace on the treadmill. I had at least an hour ZB heading into it, no coffee again (nailing that, feels good), and no carbs or pre-run dancing or any other nonsense. I was a nice and stable 97 while i was putting on my shoes.

Starting BG: 97
Mi 1: 78
*Huma (really, really, really didn’t want to feel low during this one)
Mi 2: 72
Mi 3: 72
Mi 3.75: 74
Mi 4: —
*Huma and .35 unit pump bolus
Mi 5: 61
*Gatorade Prime… and don’t even ask why. Tired and afraid of a late plummet.
Mi 5.5:—
*.5 unit pump bolus
Mi 5.75: —
*Resume basal
Mi 6: 76

Walked a mile and got off at 85
Did 2 units for missed basal and for a banana but was a 126 just a few minutes later. Did another 2.5 IM and waited another 15 minutes… 171. Did another 2 IM … :grimacing: … which was a bit of a rage bolus … but it’s turned out just fine. Got my banana and a yogurt to boot, and it looks like my IOB and blood sugar and all else in the universe are settling back down.

Just kidding, universe. Knock on wood knock on wood.

RPE was about a 5.5 for the first 3 miles, maybe a 6 for miles 4 and 5, and about a 6.5 for the last mile. Felt good.

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One husband is more than I’ll ever want in this lifetime. We’re good in the husband department.

My body odor and pool of sweat pretty much will take care of that.

As shurikens? To knock out the competition?

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Yes, pace work is supposed to be a specific pace. So the hills might mess you up trying to maintain the 8:34 for the whole thing. This is okay for outside only if you have level ground.

Those Primes are wicked strong. Especially after 2 hours of ZB.
:wink:

But the numbers are great during the run! All good stuff!

You don’t need to be dainty with the insulin when you are done. Hammer the insulin and the carbs when you finish.

You ended up taking 2 plus 2.5 IM plus another 2 IM, 6.5 units total. Nothing wrong with that. Load up and enjoy some snacks!

And then later in the evening, cut your basal back a bit. The exercise will catch up to you when you are sleeping.

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All good stuff today. :hibiscus::beetle:

was suppose to do a 5 mile run @ 9:14 min miles (or 6.5 on the treadmill), so I made mysefl take it back outside. I don’t know what I’m doing with the inside/outside decisions, but I really want to just get on the treadmill, which means I better not. Anyway.

One hour or so ZB, no coffee, no carbs, no pre-run activities, stable BG of 100ish.

Starting BG: 105
mi 1: 105
mi 2: 100
mi 3: 106
mi 4: 105
mi 5: 96 (finish)
*resumed basal and walked a mile
got home at 100

RPE was about a 6– those hills. :grimacing:

Oh, and I never took any carbs or any insulin during the run… which was just cool. :smiley:

And tomorrow is my 10 mile day. I’m doing it on the treadmill I think, right?? I don’t know if I can handle the hills tomorrow. ???

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Fantastic numbers!! Esp with those hills! What was your BG when you suspended your basal? Did your bg go up much during the ZB??

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Starting BG: 105
mi 1: 105
mi 2: 100
mi 3: 106
mi 4: 105
mi 5: 96 (finish)
*resumed basal and walked a mile
got home at 100
:astonished:
Wow, I’ve asked @daisymae before, I need to ask you too – Are you sure you’re diabetic? Or even a human?? That’s an astonishingly flat line given your activity level!!

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Great BG numbers!

All the magic happens before you run. :wink:

How are you feeling today? If you are feeling good, I’d like you to do a cutdown tomorrow. Do the first 7 miles at the 9:30-10:00 pace, and then bump the mph up about 0.2 each mile for the last 3 miles.

Like if you are at 6.3 mph at the end of mile 7, go up to 6.5 mph for mile 8, then 6.7 mph for mile 9, then 6.9 mph for mile 10.

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Okay…

you guys really…

know how to make a girl feel good. What nice things to read. :blush:

I feel great, @Eric, and a cutdown sounds perfect. I can’t wait.

It’s a big fat keep it simple, stupid. You’ve been saying it, and I’ve been resisting. All the magic happens before you run. I get it now. :heart::heart::heart:

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Holy Cow, those are some incredible numbers !!! i hope that one day i will have numbers that stellar!!!

I agree. i dont think you’re diabetic anymore. i think you’re cured :wink:

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Nicky, these were truly awesome numbers!

I love the way you put it, really synthetic and easy to understand. I will quote you many times from here on on this.

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Seriously, @daisymae?! I’m just trying to be like you already. :smiley:

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Never ever quote me. It’s not safe and will probably make you look bad. :smiley:

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