Can you categorize yourself as 'very healthy' if you have diabetes and high cholesterol?

I was filling out a survey for an upcoming college reunion and the survey question was:

How would you characterize your health:

  • very healthy
  • somewhat healthy
  • in poor health
  • etc.

Well, I am in pretty good shape but I do have lots of drugs and high cholesterol and T1D. So a survey like that made me pause. I think I’m very healthy in terms of the stuff that I do - my diseases and conditions are not yet a barrier to my activities.

But given the number of chronic conditions I have, and the fact that they do impact my life, I don’t think ‘very health’ is an accurate description.

As anybody else wrestled with this question? How do you answer it?

A while back we had some folks here who were T1D and training for ultra marathons - remember @eric? you’d have to say they were ‘very healthy’ no?

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Neither having diabetes nor having higher levels of HDLs (assuming that is what you meant by high cholesterol) mean you have poor health or, indeed, good health.

In both cases the conditions are correlated with poor health statistically but that doesn’t mean that all or, even, most people with those conditions have poor health. What it means is that a statistically significant higher proportion of people with those conditions have worse health than those without those conditions ceteris paribus (“all other things being equal”).

Ill health is something like cardiovascular disease or liver disease or kidney failure, or, for that matter, a broken arm.

The question does get interesting when we consider things that are exercise related. For example if you can swim 100m without stopping that would generally be considered a sure-fire indicator of good health even though for an athlete it might be considered run-of-the-mill. Contrariwise if you can’t do that it might be reasonable to say you are not “very healthy”.

Of course these things are relative. I’m 65, 66 in a few days time; does that mean I’m in poor health? Age is certainly correlated very strongly with poor health, but that’s not relevant. What is relevant is that age is correlated with loss of functionality in our bodies; my exercise levels aren’t much changed from what they were a few years ago but I certainly feel less able, so maybe less healthy.

Well, I guess it’s a college reunion so you are probably all about the same age and assuming you were born in 1959 you are about the same age as me. Good question for the reunionists; are you all in poor health because you are 66? How many of you have swum 100m without stopping (that’s 2 lengths of an Olympic swimming pool)?

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That’s a good question. As @jbowler mentioned, I think the answer should be relative to age.

Am I very healthy compared to a 25 year old? No.

Am I very healthy compared to almost anyone in my high school class? Yep.

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Thanks to you both @jbowler and @Eric for your interesting replies. Maybe we could define excellent health at our ages (you are right that I was born in 1959) as beingphysically able to do what we want and need to do. Not constrained by our bodies. Certainly as we get older, we get more constrained, and that would mean our assessment of our health would go down.
I think I put that I was in middling health. My back hurts (and my knee too sometimes) but I’m pretty much able to do what I would like to do in the body I’ve got. Not all the time, tho.

there was a nice article a propos of this in a recent Boston Globe:

It was a bluebird day, as skiers call it: a cerulean sky, two feet of fresh, packed powder, a no-lift-lines Monday. I rode the gondola up to the halfway point on the mountain, taking in the view of Lake Tahoe unfolding panoramically below. I stepped off the gondola and into my skis and started down an easy green-rated run to the next lift. I felt a little tentative on my slats, but that’s not unexpected on a first day of the season, especially if, like me, you’re 77 years old and in the early stages of Parkinson’s. After a few more runs, muscle memory was kicking in and my old form and confidence had returned. Almost. Two runs later on more challenging terrain, I made my decision: This would be my last day skiing.

This guy’s health was compromised by Parkinson’s and general old age, and he recognized it.

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With you there. Add “mentally” to “physically” :wink:

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Bostrav59,

You can fill it out however you want. I usually list mine in fair health if I am doing a medical form, but for a class reunion? I might list it as the very best health ever imagined.

OK, my friends would know I was lying. So maybe I would say I am doing OK these days. Seriously somewhat is about s good as i could get away with.

rick

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I would check "very healthy. Yes I have diabetes but it is well controlled, I take a variety of drugs and insulin and I have a Urostomy. The drugs and insulin keep me healthy.

I have great cardiac and respiratory function at my age, I can walk well and bicycle.

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Seems like an odd question for a reunion. I could see asking if you need any special accommodations, but not classifying your health.

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You have no idea! This is my 40th reunion and before every reunion we have had a questionnaire that asks very personal questions. It’s all confidential but there’s a lot of reflection required. So the question about health was one of the milder questions.

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I struggle with this every time I see a question and usually choose the “good health” option when it is offered. Living with a chronic condition excludes claiming excellent health in my mind.

There is a lot of room between very healthy and somewhat healthy; many of us live in that space. It’s not a well formulated question.

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Just to add a bit to this - my wife just got a survey from her doctor after a total knee replacement, and they ask her not just to rate her health but to assess her social life on the same scale!

She had trouble answering the question - who can say their social life is excellent? It seems like it’s not a well -thought out question, but maybe I’m missing something.

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I am in my mid 70’s I do have type2 diabetes,two minor heart valve issues that they i should be fine. I enjoy walking ,being in the pool. So when we move we will join a Y again. My doctors tell me I am strong. I would say very good health. Social isolation is a major issue for seniors and has an impact on overall health. We go out everyday for coffee or lunch on Wednesdays. People contact is a positive,not just on line. Nancy50

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Well, again, in my opinion it is a reunion, you could be in the hospital on a ventilator and legitimately mark perfect health if you really wanted to do so. I figure when a class reunion asks a question like that, they deserve whatever answer you want to give them.

Much like a fellow asking me if I like the car I drive. Sure, if it starts it is great, if not it is not so great. Since I am in a mall parking lot, how do you think I am feeling today?

Just saying.

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Respectfully, I don’t get the allusion. Can you explain? How does the mall parking lot influence your opinion of your car.
[eta] - is it because you can like your car but if it’s stuck in a mall parking lot that’s not a good feeling for the car? Just a wild guess …

I know it derails this track for a bit, but hey it’s my posting and maybe it will lead somewhere ….

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My point is, it really does not matter what I say does it? I mean so what how I feel about my car or what i say about my health. Neither opinion is actionable. Both are, well opinions. I might feel great about my car today and it might die this afternoon or I might feel awful about it and it might last 50 years. My opinion is not all that important.

As for my health, which is likely more factual than how I feel about my car, the question then is what will the person who is asking going to do with the information. Will they fix my health if my health is awful? will they give me a prize for great health if it is great?

I think my point is that the question is a little over the top (just my opinion) so I would give it a very over the top ridiculous answer. But that is just me.

I am think whatever answer you give will be right. including leaving the answer
None Ya or So Good you cannot imagine. I think the full range is open.

rick

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I can appreciate @Rphil2 ’s perspective (though I too I didn’t get the mall parking lot analogy at first). In a medical or psychological therapy setting it makes some sense, but it is only a perspective. I love my car…until it doesn’t run! I’d like not to have T1, unless it means instead I get a terminal painful cancer diagnosis.

I also agree the question is wierd coming from a “reunion” committee, without a clear statement as to “why” I have to question the purpose and would likely bypass (not answer) the question. The perspective of “what is someone going to do about it” is valid, absent a medical advice setting or asked by friend who cares or a potential care giver/person otherwise responsible for the status of an individual.

All that said, reunion committees ask for some odd things. I just read a facebook post coming from my highschool class asking for recommendations for a “Hall of Fame”. Had to look up what it was, found out my school has a list of teachers, coaches, and class members “recognized” as outstanding. It’s amazing to me the number of people we considered odd ducks, outcasts, philanderers, etc., at the time that are now considered “recognized” for outstanding contributions/performance to society. The goal is laudable, most of the folks so recognized I would agree with, but a few would have to be “leopards that changed their spots” over the years to be on the list. Perspective and judgement criteria are everything!

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Thanks Ray - appreciate the explanation, although I disagree, on two levels.

First on your last point – that they are opinions. This is the crux of the question in my post. When someone asks this question (in a survey or in conversation), certainly your response is your opinion, but what is your opinion based on? This gets back to the question in the OP: Is there a standard definition of ‘good health’ and how do you handle chronic diseases in making that assessment? @Nancy50 took us through her reasoning to say “very good health”, and everyone has different standards and methods for self-assessing. Someone else with Nancy’s chronic conditions might say average or even poor health, using a different rationale. So any question like this is pretty flawed for drawing any averages because people ground their opinions differently.

It’s not a rare question by any means, and comes up in many contexts. As I mentioned earlier, my wife was asked this question and some even stranger variants in a required medical questionnaire, so clearly someone believes there is some clinical value in the answer. I think every routine doctor’s appointment has some version of the “how’s your health” question. Of course in that context you can elaborate rather than simply checking a box.

Second, I believe the opinion is actionable. If you tell the doctor you are in poor health, she will try to understand why and provide a course of action to help you move from poor health to better health. So in that way it is actionable.

A subtext here relates to the appropriateness of the question in the context of a college reunion, and this one raises even more possibilities. Several posters (you as well as @John58 i believe) would answer the question less than honestly. Just say your health is excellent and move on.

Why do that? This is a confidential questionnaire - no one will see your response. In that way, your individual response has no affect on you, but the distribution of (accurate) reponses might be interesting to your college cohort.

In my context, the reunion questionnaire is a particular tradition for my class. The same person has done it for 35 years, and he also provides a readout of responses during a very popular campus session for our class during reunion. He also asks questions like: “Have you had an extramarital affair?” and “How often do you have sex?” so the question about rating your health is mild in this context. Over the years we’ve had plenty of people get upset with the questions - they don’t have to fill out the survey.

Of course, if people fill it out insincerely, and everyone is misleading everyone else in their responses, it will be very confusing - like that old Garrison Keillor bit about Lake Wobegone: “all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average”. In my 40th college reunion, everyone is in great health, at least they all think so. Maybe that will happen - I’ll let you know after reunion.

(btw, my AI tells me that this is an actual psychological phenomenon called the “lake wobegone effect” where there is a “human tendency to overestimate one’s own abilities”.)

Have I beaten my dead horse enough? Happy to go another round if you like.

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“You” can categorize it however you feel, and based on all your life experiences… but we can’t realistically expect that to hold water when it comes to population based metrics like those used for life insurance policies etc…

When I’m filling out a doctor’s form, I always put “fair.” I have type 1 diabetes, chronic kidney disease, rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, and a bunch of other things. “Fair” might actually be a little too optimistic.

But if I were filling out a class reunion questionnaire, I’m sure I’d write “Mahvelous.” I look absolutely mahvelous—after all, it’s better to look Mahvelous than to be Mahvelous.

(My 1975 high school class would get the SNL Billy Crystal reference)

https://youtu.be/9NdcinOjbPI?si=YWmEJqZApORfSIBT

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Thanks Ray - i graduated h.s. in 1977 …. and I look forward to my h.s. reunions. I’m generally a big reunion fan as you can tell.

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