FUDiabetes

DN’s Running and Other Mishaps Thread


#645

I’d like things to go a little better than they have today, but this is good for me, too— learning to deal with situations in whatever form they present themselves. I made it through the run by eating all those carbs, then ate all those carbs after the run, then ended up eating three bowls of spaghetti and meatballs. I’m about to pop. All of these reasonable choices and handling everything sensibly have left me feeling like today was another holiday. And like undoing that top button. :grin:

Thank you. :hugs: I’m getting that feeling a little more each day. Today, not all that much. :grin:


#646

Some good things to talk about here.

The big difference in doing a run with your full basal versus being able to turn off your basal with a pump, or doing the run when your Levemir basal is tailing off was apparent on this run.

Also, the big difference between shorter runs and longer runs.

With your full Levemir dose, you just have to feed the basal throughout your run. That is the best way to do it. If you take a big sugar bump before and try to get everything in before your run, you will spike, and that sucks. So on these runs when you are at full Levemir, you just need to feed it throughout.

When you run at times when your Levemir is tailing off, you won’t need to feed as much. I am sure you could see the big difference for that today.

Also, the longer runs are going to tap deeper into your glycogen stores, so you have to take in more when you finish. I think it is great that you had so many carbs after you finished. Your body is much more efficient at replenishing glycogen soon after you finish, rather than later in the day. So all the carbs afterward is a good thing.

Summed up here:

  • For long runs, consider cutting your morning Levemir dose in half if you are going to run in the morning.

  • For long runs, feed the basal frequently if you have not cut your Levemir dose.

  • Plenty of carbs after a long run is a great thing to do. Long runs will take more from your glycogen stores than the shorter runs, so replenishing afterward is very important.

Don’t be afraid to take that bolus when you are finished. There is nothing wrong with that. I take insulin and chocolate milk after every run, no matter what my BG is.

Awesome!

I think you did great today!

The only critique I have for you is…well, you probably know what it is…

Check your BG, DN! Don’t rely on your CGM for something like that, especially after a long run!!

Other than that, it’s all wonderful stuff.
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#647

That is really good information. I’m a little stubborn about this and still want to believe I can just do more at the beginning. Not only do I spike, but I think these might be the runs where I spike and then continue to rise all throughout. Is that possible? That exercise with a fast and significant enough rise in the beginning could maybe cause it to get worse?? Or maybe it’s that I just did that many carbs. Regardless, I like the idea of doing enough carbs to get into it and then just keeping afloat by adding carbs. I also love the Transcend glucose gel. It is a lot like sucking down dental fluoride in the middle of my run, but it’s better than trying to not choke on chalky tabs. Are there other alternatives??

Felt like Thanksgiving.

I was thinking just that. I could start next Saturday as I know I can run in the morning, and I know it’s a longer run. For now, I can time my weekday runs to coincide with the tail end of my morning Levemir.

I had never done this before meeting you. Exercise lowers my blood sugar, and I’ve never thought to do insulin on top of it. When you had me suspend my pump prior to starting, I began to have an idea just how much to try to cover after resuming again. It has been harder to figure out on injections. I used to be afraid of lows, and now I’m averse to those highs. Maybe I book in for a series of smaller boluses just to see how things are looking.

That was just silly. I know better. :woman_facepalming:


#648

Yes. Your body is insulin sensitive when running, but once you get above a certain BG, a lot of that goes out the window, as your body responds to the stress of the high BG and you become more insulin resistant.

It is the same reason it is harder to correct a 300 than a 150!

There is never a good reason to purposefully go high or spike before exercising, unless it is an exercise that does not allow you to eat while doing it. Like swimming.

You can try the GU’s like I sent you with your Christmas present. Or try Huma Gels.

The Huma Gels are really really my favorite, of all the running gels I have ever tried.

Get some Huma Gels! Lots of different flavors, and some of them have caffeine!

Good, try the lowering Levemir and see how it works for you. And compensate by not taking as many carbs throughout, but just taking a few as you feel that you might be needing them.

Remember this thought we’ve discussed before - there are two things you need for muscle glycogen replenishment, carbs and insulin. Either one alone does not do it.

I take a lot of insulin after I run because I have had a suspended pump for a while. If you are on Levemir, you don’t need as much insulin, but you will still need some to allow those carbs to be used when you are finished.

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#649

Which runs did you do on the treadmill last week?

Make sure you give me RPE and all the BG/carb/dosing specs for each of these runs coming up, and also if it was on the treadmill.

I have been giving you the more significant runs on Tuesday and Thursday, and the long runs on Saturday. The rest of the week has been foundational miles or rest days.

After this week, I want to move your significant runs to Monday and Thursday. That will give you an extra rest day between those harder runs.

  • Monday - threshold / temp / lactate
  • Tuesday - easy run
  • Wednesday - rest day
  • Thursday - speed work / intervals
  • Friday - easy run
  • Saturday - long run
  • Sunday - rest day

Okay with this?

Also, log your food this week!


#650

All of them. It was really, really cold last week. It was warm on the treadmill. :grin:

Okay.

Okay.

Okay. :grin:

I’m gonna start that tomorrow. There can be no written record of what happened in my pantry today. BUT… it did not involve chips. So. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:


#651

I’m going to try them even though they have chia seeds. You’ve only led me to good stuff so far (except the pink watch), so I’ll try this. What’s the best flavor??

I was saving those for an emergency, but with your permission, I’ll try one out on my next big run. :heart:

I’m shooting for an afternoon run tomorrow. Will try to keep remember to keep the carbs coming through the run and dose generously at the end. It’ll be at the tail end of my Levemir.

I can see the appeal. There are good things happening over here. :heart:

Absolutely. Victory and success are pretty good teachers, too. Would love to give them all a chance to teach me a lesson. :grin:


#652

I like the apple. The thing is, they all taste different, but they all act the same was as carbs. So get the sampler pack, try all the flavors, and then buy the ones you like.

If you do that, make sure you replace it! One needs to be in your case for an emergency!

If you are on the tail end of it, you wont need as many carbs throughout. If you are on full Levemir, yes, do the carbs throughout. Just consider your basal amount when you are taking the carbs. Remember, you had more basal on Saturday than you did on your Monday run. Consider your Levemir dose time and use that as a factor in your carbing when you are running.


#653

Week 4:
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Monday, 12/17
40-45 minute Easy Run
8:30-9:30 pace


Tuesday, 12/18
1/2 mile warmup @ 9:00-10:00 pace

Cutdowns:

  • 1 mile @ 8:34 pace (7.0 mph)
  • 1 mile @ 8:13 pace (7.3 mph)
  • 1 mile @ 8:00 pace (7.5 mph)
  • 1 mile @ 7:41 pace (7.8 mph)

1/2 mile cooldown @ 9:00-10:00 pace


Wednesday, 12/19
Rest day, stretch and core only


Thursday, 12/20
1/2 mile warmup @ 9:00-10:00 pace

5 repeats:

  • 1 minute @ 8:00 pace (7.5 mph)
  • 1 minute @ 7:30 pace (8.0 mph)
  • 1 minute @ 7:13 pace (8.3 mph)
  • 3 minute @ 10:00 pace (6.0 mph)

1/2 mile cooldown @ 9:00-10:00 pace

(total ~ 4.5 miles, including warmup and cooldown)


Friday, 12/21
25 minute Recovery Run
10:00 pace


Saturday, 12/22
60 minute Long Run
9:00-10:00 pace


Sunday, 12/23
Rest day, stretch and core only


#654

Just trying to figure this one out— this one looks tough. You meant to do that in that order??


#655

Yes.

You did 4.9 miles in 40 minutes last week. You can do this. Same thing.


#656

I know this. I do. I was just making sure you hadn’t made a mistake. :smiley:

I did, didn’t I? :muscle:

Okay. I was planning on staying in bed this morning and feeling bad for myself for being a little sick, but I just flashed a muscle. I’m up, baby. I’m up.


#657

I had another great run today, but I botched the BG stuff a little. This was my own fault. I was approaching the entire thing too casually, and by the time I realized it, I was already at 200.

Anyway, so my starting BG was about a 205, and my ending was a 108. I ran on the treadmill, RPE about 6, and I did 5.3 miles in 45 minutes. I obviously did not need any carbs during my run even though I started at around 10:30 in the morning. I had crashed at about 9:30, had two Welch’s Fruit Snacks (which turn out to be 20 grams of carbs each—- I honestly didn’t know!), and then I settled down to work on a document for my Facebook group. I knew I would rebound, but in my mind it was going to be to the perfect starting BG. It wasn’t. Next time I’ll keep to the schedule and get other stuff done around it.

I know there was something else you wanted… Oh, I’ll start logging tomorrow.

There was still something else…:thinking:


#658

Ask the running clinic guy about incline work and get a recommendation for a good doctor to look at your MRI.

Try to focus on having really good BG for the more significant runs (this week on Tuesday and Thursday, next week on Monday and Thursday). I need to see the cortisol spike happen. That let’s me know we are in the right zone.


#659

I did it. :smiley:

The run… nothing else on your To Do list— in case you got excited there for a second. :D. I’ll be back in a few to write about it, but I am very happy to have seen it, done it, and lived to tell the tale. This one had me worried. :smiley:


#660

Good evening. :smiley:

So here’s what I did today. First of all, I emailed the running guy to see about inclines. Very proud of myself. :smiley:

About the run… The run was great. The BG left a little to be desired. It was a — NUTHER tricky morning down at the little people factory. I volunteered from 8:30 until 11 and had 3 applesauces between 8:30 and 10:30 (plus a coffee on the way) and didn’t do any insulin for any of it. So to your point that I’m going to be needing less basal with my increased running, I’d say that’s what I’m seeing. Anyway, at 10:30, sitting at lunch with my son and still feeling shaky and low, I sprung for his yogurt. It was 20 grams of carbs, and I had a gut feeling it was overkill but wasn’t sure. I think it was. By the time I got home and ready to run, I was at a 165. That’s not bad, but, at this point, I hadn’t had insulin in hours, and I knew it was still rising. I managed to get on the treadmill by the time I hit a 168, but I was not surprised when, according to my Libre and Dexcom, I continued to rise almost the entire way through the workout. I finally turned at about 3.5 miles in, and I stepped off the treadmill at a 209. In truth, I don’t know that rise was entirely the yogurt. I was at 168 when I started running at almost 11:45 am. I had the yogurt at around 10:45. And I did push today on that run. It was the hardest I’ve run yet since all of the injury downtime stuff. However, with a sloppy blood sugar like that, I know it’s too hard to tell exactly what caused the rise, and I hope to go in calmer on Thursday.

Oh! I also got off to quite a start on my treadmill. :smiley: I’m smiling now, but it scared me so much I almost turned it off and went outside for the run. I was about 2 minutes into my warm up, running at about a 10 minute mile or whatever, and I was taking off my long sleeve shirt. I put it on the back of the treadmill and started to feel a little dizzy—- so subtle, but it was like i was all of a sudden very groggy. I thought maybe my blood sugar or maybe just got disoriented getting my shirt off. It was getting worse every second though, and I felt like I was going to fall off the back of the treadmill. Like I was running in mud! And couldn’t keep up! And I was literally scooting down the back of the treadmill and getting closer to the end. I looked up at the settings, and my incline was on 12!! So I held it down, of course, until it returned to flat again, but just as soon as I did, I realized the thing was starting to speed up! Again, it took me ALL THE WAY UP TO 12!! I thought I was going to fly off of it. I had to hold on while I tried to get to the buttons to slow it down. :rofl: Anyway, I think this whole thing lasted maybe a minute and a half or something, but it was startling. I was afraid to take my eyes off the screen the rest of the run. The rest, however, was uneventful and smooth. I finished my 1/2 mile warm up, ran the first mile at 7.0, second mile at 7.3, third at 7.5, and fourth mile at 7.8, then cooled down at a 9 minute mile. RPE was about 7.5– Though the last couple of minutes were maybe 8. Also, I’ve been continuing to check my cadence (and even find times it really starts to dip), and today it was between 92-97 at every check.


#661

This is awesome stuff! And there is a lot of room on the top still. I knew you’d nail this one. Way to go, DN! :+1:

Great!

This one sounds like it was mostly food related. When you see a cortisol spike, you will know it. It is unmistakable, like a sudden 50-100 point jump in 2-3 miles.

Let’s see what happens on Thursday.

:open_mouth:
So what happened here?!? Just accidental button pushing? Be careful!


Today was great. Very happy with this. We’ll revisit it again soon. We will do this 3 times.

  1. The first one is with fear.
  2. The second one is with quiet confidence.
  3. And the third time is total cockiness.
    :wink:
    Great job today!

#662

:hugs:

I know the CGM stuff is silly stuff, but would it change anything if I told you my Libre and Dexcom showed a 285 and 260 respectively in the middle of the run? My Libre overshoots on a big rise, but between the two, I would be willing to bet I hit as high as a 275… and started at a 168. Does that change anything?? Or just worry about Thursday and trying to get a more even number at starting?

No! My machine did this all in its own! That was my point… and it did make me nervous. I’d make an Auto Mode joke, but it’s too obvious… and easy. :grin:

:heart: I could do that again. Twice. It was hard but not impossible and uncomfortable but not unbearable. I might even get to looking forward to it as I get closer. :slightly_smiling_face:

I can’t brlieve this, but I’m falling asleep. Need to get out of here before I start writing silly things…:grimacing:

I’ll be back after nap time. :hugs:


#663

I know there are built-in workouts on those machines. You gotta make sure you are starting it with a manual start button, not a built-in workout. I think you accidentally started a built-in workout.

I think it was the “Kill Nicky” workout. :open_mouth:

Seriously, start it in manual mode, not one of the pre-set ones.

Ideally, you can get your iFit account setup and let me program the workouts for you. I won’t surprise you with anything.

Maybe it was a cortisol spike.

But to know for sure, I want you to start level and at a good number, like around 100 or less. Eat nothing so there is no mistaking the spike, and when you finish I want to see you at 150+.

That will be a definite sign that we are working you hard enough.
:wink:

TSH and T4 blood tests, please!


#664

I started manual— and I can’t access those workouts because I haven’t gotten my account set up yet. It was just the treadmill. It just, at random, went to the highest incline and then the fastest speed. It’s okay. It’s already a fading memory— until it pulls that nonsense again. :thinking:

New endo, please. I need to start that process, too. If I want the tests, I’m going to need a new doc. My current one already turned me down. :roll_eyes: But justifiably so. You really gotta watch people and their TSH and T4 test requests. Before you know it, they’re just gonna be camped out in front of labs trying to get their fix. :woman_facepalming:

Tomorrow. I’m gonna see if I can’t nail that starting BG a little better. I’m looking forward to the run. :heart: