FUDiabetes

Refilling the Lilly KwikPen disposable pen

Yeah, endos all across my state and my insurance company are starting to get a little suspicious… :sushing_face:
:rofl:

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They probably also wonder why you keep buying insulin in 100mL buckets…now they know.

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I have a bunch of Novolog pens, I’ll work on a procedure in the next few weeks, unless someone preempts me:slight_smile:

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@michel the conversation we’ve been having would make more sense if transferred to this thread

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So— how can we COMPLETELY drain a humalog pen in order to refill it with Regular? Does it matter is there is a few units of humalog left in the tip? Should it be flushed repeatedly with a sterile dilutent?

I think a an R pen would really fit the bill for me a lot of times… maybe a splash of R and a snort of afrezza-- it’d open up whole new realms of possibilities

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If it was me:
(a) I would flush it completely, because N being a mixture it itself may not be miscible with anything else, and
(b) I would flush it with the new insulin we are putting into the pen.

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The thing is to truly completely flush it, to the point that there’d be no potential chemical reaction— were talking about so many flushes it’s absurd… theoretically infinite-- so I’d really like to know if it actually matters or not from a chemistry perspective

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I am not sure!

I was considering doing just that myself as well (not with N though). I had decided that, if I did, I would fill the pen cartridge once, empty it, then from there on use the new insulin in the pen.

But I have no proof that this is correct. I figure it is, from the following calculation:

  • on a 3 ml cartridge, I am guessing, by eye, we may have at most 6 U left (2%) when we are done pushing the plunger

  • If I fill it once, then shake it well and empty it again, the new mixture was 98% new insulin and 2% new insulin. If I have 2% left before I fill it for real, I would have roughly 0.1U left of the original insulin. Even if it all went in one dose, that would not be a big deal I figure.

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It certainly wouldn’t be a big deal in terms of the action profile of the trace insulin having a discernible affect on the user-- unless it caused a major reaction with the other… I’d have to assume we’d have heard about it if it was really a thing… I’m sure there are plenty of insulin users out there using the same syringe from one vial to the next…

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I guess another option would be to fill it with water and empty it several times, then let it dry. Or use dilutant and do the same thing. Either would be cheaper I suppose – although not as safe as using final insulin as the throwaway intermediate.

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But there’s no way to fill it with water and let it dry-- if you put it there, the few units that aren’t ejectable are staying in there like it or not

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You could leave a syringe through the membrane with no plunger.

But that may not be sufficient to let the water or solvent evaporate. I am not sure :slight_smile:

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Crap this isn’t even the thread I meant to be commenting on I thought this was the one where he showed how to refill a kwikpen not a cartridge— damn 2" iPhone screen

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Ask and you shall receive :slight_smile:

As long as you don’t mention Obamacare.

I can’t afford to mention Obamacare.

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You can refill either a cartridge from the non-disposable Lilly pen, or a disposable Kwikpen which has a built in cartridge. Either one. Here is the other thread:
filling-your-own-pens

If you fill it with 300 units and flush it as fully as you can each time, after the 3rd flush, this is the purity of the insulin you have in it:
0.9999997905950370000

Each time you refill it, it moves more toward completely pure. Of course it never gets to 100%, but when you have something like this, 0.9999997905950370000, I think you are in good shape.

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What’s that joke about the physicist explaining to the carpenter that he could never actually touch a beautiful woman because each distance between them could be halved indefinitely… and the carpenter saying he thinks he could get close enough for practical purposes…

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Oh yeah, I remember that. :rofl:

I just tried this method with a couple of Lilly produced Basaglar pens and it works great!
LillyPenRefills_175Mb

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Thanks Dave! Looks good!
Hey, those pens you tried it with. Do they have 1/2 unit doses? Or just full units?

I like the metal Lilly metal non-disposable pen, because it has 1/2 unit doses. But unfortunately it is bigger than the Lilly disposable pens.

I would use the disposable plastic pens if they had 1/2 unit doses. Would love to find a smaller pen with 1/2 unit doses that can be refilled. Anyone know of one?

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