# Vinegar and insulin sensitivity **URL:** \ **Category:** Food & Diet\ **Tags:** vinegar, insulin-sensitivity\ **Created:** [April 10, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873 "2018-04-10T13:08:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lh378](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/lh378/32/601_2.png) [@lh378](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/lh378)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/1 "2018-04-10T13:08:18Z")
Here are two articles about vinegar for Type 2 > **[Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in Subjects...](http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281)** > > The number of Americans with type 2 diabetes is expected to increase by 50% in the next 25 years; hence, the prevention of type 2 diabetes is an important objective. Recent large-scale trials (the Diabetes Prevention Program and STOP-NIDDM) have... [https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/862975?src=trendmd\_pilot](https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/862975?src=trendmd_pilot) Has anyone tried vinegar? I would imagine that the use of vinegar would not replace insulin. However, would it reduce the TDD? @Eric are you willing to perform the experiment? As an aside, why does it appear to me that there are more published articles about type 2 diabetes than type 1? How many Type 2 v Type 1 in the US or the world? ---
**Author:** ![Katers87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a9adbd/32.png) [@Katers87](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Katers87)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/3 "2018-04-10T13:36:23Z")
Gary Scheiner mentioned this at a diabetes conference I attended awhile back. He said that "Research has shown that adding acidity in the form of vinegar (straight or in dressing/condiment form) can reduce the one-hour post-meal blood sugar rise by 50% or more. " He also said tomatoes (also acidic) can help, but I can’t find that in the literature anywhere. > **[Strike%20The%20Spike%202.pdf](https://integrateddiabetes.com/Articles/gen/Strike%20The%20Spike%202.pdf)** > > 105.56 KB ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/4 "2018-04-10T15:18:19Z")
> [@lh378](#): > > Has anyone tried vinegar? I would imagine that the use of vinegar would not replace insulin. However, would it reduce the TDD? @Eric are you willing to perform the experiment? I am not the right one to do an experiment like this. My TDD is already very low, so any changes it made would not be as obvious with me. ---
**Author:** ![lh378](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/lh378/32/601_2.png) [@lh378](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/lh378)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/5 "2018-04-10T15:41:17Z")
My TDD is approximately 10, and I’m currently on a fairly low carb diet, about 60g daily. Any other takers? ---
**Author:** ![lh378](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/lh378/32/601_2.png) [@lh378](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/lh378)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/6 "2018-04-10T15:42:19Z")
> [@Katers87](#): > > [integrateddiabetes.com](http://integrateddiabetes.com) > > Strike%20The%20Spike%202.pdf > > 105.56 KB Thanks for sharing! ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/chris/32/382_2.png) [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/7 "2018-04-10T18:00:11Z")
I will try and talk my “lab rat” aka my son, into trying it. Unfortunately, 20g of vinegar is a full shot glasses worth, so it isn’t going to be easy to convince him… ---
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/8 "2018-04-10T18:19:53Z")
I’ll try … I’m used to drinking cider vinegar straight – it’s a miracle fix for foot cramps. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/9 "2018-04-10T18:20:54Z")
> [@Chris](#): > > Unfortunately, 20g of vinegar is a full shot glasses worth, so it isn’t going to be easy to convince him… You can teach him lime and salt. Get him started out right. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/11 "2018-04-11T15:02:42Z")
> [@Chris](#): > > I will try and talk my “lab rat” aka my son, into trying it. Something to consider - during sports season this would not be good to do before activity. Since acetic acid might inhibit glycolysis, it could reduce the available energy from the carbs eaten before games. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/chris/32/382_2.png) [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/12 "2018-04-11T15:07:40Z")
Yeah that wouldn’t be so great, he wasn’t really keen on it anyway, so perhaps a sports season will give him enough time to warm up to the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/13 "2018-04-11T15:36:28Z")
> [@Chris](#): > > perhaps a sports season will give him enough time to warm up to the idea. It is an interesting theory. They are tinkering with the body’s chemistry a bit, and using acetic acid to suppress PFK-1 (phosphofructokinase-1), which is one of the enzymes used in glycolysis. Anyway, that is my understanding of the idea. All well and good if you are worried about BG after meals, but not necessarily the best from a performance perspective before athletic events. ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/14 "2018-04-12T04:07:41Z")
Interesting. I’ll have to see how much vinegar I’m consuming when I make my own dressing (I use a lot on my salads 😁 ). I can’t drink vinegar straight, though, gag. They do make apple cider vinegar pills, which I’ve taken - anyone know if that would work? ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/15 "2018-04-12T04:30:43Z")
> [@Pianoplayer7008](#): > > They do make apple cider vinegar pills, which I’ve taken - anyone know if that would work? The benefits of the vinegar have only been in limited studies so far, so the whole thing is still a little bit questionable. And not all apple cider vinegar pills contain acetic acid. So some brands of the pills would not even have the thing that may or may not help your BG. So with the pills it’s kind of a double question mark… ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/16 "2018-04-12T04:44:39Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > so the whole thing is still a little bit questionable. Oh, yeah, totally got that. Just wondered for purposes of experimenting - I’d be willing to pop some pills, but I draw the line at vinegar shots! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/17 "2018-04-12T04:52:39Z")
I did a quick search. I ran across a number of them that did not list acetic acid. But these two brands both had it on the label. - Nature’s Life - Source Naturals So if you want to try it, at least those two are claiming to have the ingredient you need. ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/18 "2018-04-12T04:55:41Z")
Just checked my medicine cabinet, and the brand I have does list it. So I guess I’ll report back if I discover anything amazing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/19 "2018-04-12T14:02:13Z")
I had to abort my first experiment. I’d love to say it was the vinegar that made me flatline all through dinner and for an hour or so after, but unfortunately I bolused too early for the bulk of the meal and later went low. I’ll keep trying. Diluted with that amount of water, the vinegar is totally palatable. I see there are even some cocktails that have cider vinegar in them. Though quaffing one all in one go might earn me a bad reputation. ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/20 "2018-04-12T14:30:10Z")
> [@Beacher](#): > > Though quaffing one all in one go might earn me a bad reputation. 😆 Sorry about the low! ---
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/21 "2018-04-14T15:14:06Z")
Okay, so this is hardly a controlled scientific experiment, given a multitude of variables, but here is a breakfast of three pancakes with 2 tablespoons pure maple syrup, same recipe and same carb count, **without** the vinegar beforehand: ![pancakes1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/7/7014aaf3a6240f8d19823862939a598871b32bee.jpg) _High limit 10 (180), low limit 3.8 (68)_ and **with** the vinegar beforehand: ![pancakes2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/0/0dd6f79b898c8b64a5f684d53a7fe1c9d24aca70.jpg) _High limit 9 (162), low limit 4 (72)_ ---
**Author:** ![TiaG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/tiag/32/594_2.png) [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873/22 "2018-04-14T15:26:04Z")
wow pretty dramatic! You’ll need to repeat to confirm – but that really does seem like a pretty strong effect. @Beacher, what are your high and low limits set to? Depending on what those thresholds are this could either be a huge effect or a not-so-huge effect. [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/vinegar-and-insulin-sensitivity/3873.md?page=2)