# Too Much of a Good Thing, AKA Hoarding & Expiration Dates **URL:** https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/too-much-of-a-good-thing-aka-hoarding-expiration-dates/12203 **Category:** Treatment **Created:** [December 23, 2021, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/too-much-of-a-good-thing-aka-hoarding-expiration-dates/12203 "2021-12-23T23:18:44Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 72
### Author: ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric) #### Post date: [January 2, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/too-much-of-a-good-thing-aka-hoarding-expiration-dates/12203/72 "2022-01-02T17:37:22Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > and my new theory with my pens is that using 5mm length pen needles, they are really prone to leaking back out after injection. I’ve been watching the leakage problem for a while. The syringes I have are 6mm so maybe that little bit extra helps fight leaking? I have often been critical of short needles. I have mentioned my disdain for those micro-needles, like 4mm and 5mm! I hate them. Why not try a longer needle with your pens and either prove or disprove your theory? I can send you some 8’s. A couple of reference threads: > [@Shorter needles frowning](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/shorter-needles/1121): > > I wanted to bring this up because of my experience trying the short needles with a pen recently. A couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion on short pen needles (4mm) versus longer pen needles. I think the recommendations for shorter needles are very much “safety” based. I never thought the shorter needles worked as well, but I believe that because they remove the risk of “inadvertent” intramuscular injection (IM), they are the recommendation now. (their quote - “Absorption rates differ grea… > [@Are longer insulin needles faster to act?](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/are-longer-insulin-needles-faster-to-act/993/4): > > The idea that shorter needles are better are based on a few simple concepts. a) Better patient compliance - shorter needles are less scary and may hurt less, so people with take their shots when they are supposed to. b) Less risk of IM injections (which are a perfectly reasonable thing to do for speed). But the data they they used to say 4mm is equivalent to 8mm was cherry-picked to get that conclusion. If you look at the referenced studies, there are significant problems with them, and some of… --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/too-much-of-a-good-thing-aka-hoarding-expiration-dates/12203)._