# The great milkshake and banana split challenge! **URL:** \ **Category:** Food\ **Tags:** unlimited\ **Created:** [September 7, 2017, 2:18am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877 "2017-09-07T02:18:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/21 "2017-09-10T19:49:40Z")
Step 4 in the great banana split experiment: we prepared caramel fudge Unfortunately, we don’t have unsweetened evaporated milk at hand. So, instead, we are using 3 ounces of fat-free half-and-half (again, the only thing we have) with 4 ounces of Walden sugar-free caramel syrup: > **[Amazon.com : Walden Farms Caramel Syrup Calorie Free : Dessert Syrups And Sauces...](https://www.amazon.com/Walden-Farms-Caramel-Syrup-Calorie/dp/B00CQ7SLOW/)** > > Walden Farms Caramel Syrup Calorie Free. Sugar free. Fat free. This Walden caramel syrup is really flavorful and my son loves it! Here is the caramel fudge: ![CaramelFudgeP_2017-09-09](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/9/90ca2907a25df01accec1b80e565fd302bd7ea3f.jpg) Of the three fudges, this is the one that my son likes best! It is only 3 carbs per portion (we have enough for three banana splits in there). ---
**Author:** ![Millz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/millz/32/12204_2.png) [@Millz](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Millz)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/22 "2017-09-10T19:52:25Z")
The only problem with this thread is that now I am craving ice cream. 💩😼 ---
**Author:** ![CatLady](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/catlady/32/36_2.png) [@CatLady](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/23 "2017-09-10T20:01:05Z")
Coffee syrup reducing on the stove! ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/9/9b591cbc10a4f6fd750dc8fc359b26ef17c21572.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/24 "2017-09-10T20:04:13Z")
Step 5 of the great banana split challenge: dosing. Now that we have all the ingredients, we are ready to dose: - 1 medium banana: 27 carbs - 60 grams of Ben & Jerry’s NY Superfudge Chunk: 16 carbs - 60 grams of Haagen Dazs Vanilla Beans: 14 carbs - 60 grams of Haagen Dazs Strawberry: 13 carbs - strawberry fudge: 5 carbs - hot fudge: 11 carbs - caramel fudge: 3 carbs - Cool Whip whipped topping: 2 carbs - Nuts topping: 3 carbs - 2 strawberries: 1 carb Total: 95 carbs The way we are dosing this experiment: we pre-bolus a normal dose, and wait until my son has fully turned the corner, and is around 90-95 in range going down fast. The clock is now running! ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/aaron/32/1454_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/25 "2017-09-10T21:05:22Z")
Waiting for the next picture and the results. I useds a superbolus this morning for a glass of liqueur and a cookie and it worked splendidly. I am wondering if the prebolus will be enough for the banana split. I think the fat will slow things down enough, but if not on round 2 (if/when you have a pump) a superbolus may be something to try. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/26 "2017-09-10T21:07:52Z")
Here is the resulting banana split: ![BananaSplitP_2017-09-09](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/9/9b36d278b376a0ff05d6782eda4975a3043c36d8.jpg) It is pretty huge! It represents about 700 calories, but “only” 95 carbs, so an interesting challenge, with a lot of fat in the ice cream. Also, we got the best ice-cream we could find, no low-carb substitute there 🙂 We rode the low as long as we dared, actually, before eating. So we’ll see how it shapes up. > [@Aaron](#): > > I am wondering if the prebolus will be enough for the banana split. I think the fat will slow things down enough, but if not on round 2 (if/when you have a pump) a superbolus may be something to try. I think you are right. Round 2 may need the superbolus in place, along with slower eating of the banana split – it seems to have been gone in a New York minute! In terms of taste: the hot fudge and the strawberry fudge were awesome in situ! The caramel fudge, while nicely syrupy, carried a little aftertaste of bitterness, so we may need to revisit it. ---
**Author:** ![docslotnick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/docslotnick/32/75_2.png) [@docslotnick](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/docslotnick)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/27 "2017-09-10T21:11:00Z")
Looking at that photo I’m tempted to empty my insulin pen outside of 31 Flavors. Yum! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudnDaye](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/claudndaye/32/5_2.png) [@ClaudnDaye](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ClaudnDaye)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/28 "2017-09-10T21:22:30Z")
omg…that looks like heaven! Enjoy @Kaelan! Keep us updated on those results! ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/29 "2017-09-10T21:32:50Z")
> [@ClaudnDaye](#): > > Keep us updated on those results! Round 1 is not giving us a good BG curve so far: he has been going up steadily since he ate, now past 170 ☹ So it appears that despite a really early pre-bolus that he rode into a mild low before eating, this banana split requires more insulin than regular dosing. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudnDaye](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/claudndaye/32/5_2.png) [@ClaudnDaye](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ClaudnDaye)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/30 "2017-09-10T22:05:52Z")
Yep, this is how we learn! So more bolus/basal insulin up front…I’m sure @Kaelan will be ready for round 2 testing next weekend. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![ClaudnDaye](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/claudndaye/32/5_2.png) [@ClaudnDaye](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ClaudnDaye)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/31 "2017-09-10T22:07:43Z")
As @Pianoplayer7008 indicated, I’ve also read that bananas wreak havoc on diabetics?? Not sure where I read that from, but it may be worth researching. ---
**Author:** ![CarolynA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/carolyna/32/1828_2.png) [@CarolynA](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CarolynA)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/32 "2017-09-10T22:14:47Z")
I had swim practice 12-1pm. Drove thru Wendy’s on the way home. 10oz chocolate frosty (+ a chicken caesar salad). I should have waited for the 4.5u humalog to kick in before I ate it, but swim practice makes me feel like I’m starving. I ignored the low after since i still felt like it was digesting… ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/e/e7ae1fd7bae8341938848cee32de08bf222c8484.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/33 "2017-09-10T22:27:36Z")
> [@CarolynA](#): > > I ignored the low after since i still felt like it was digesting… @CarolynA, welcome to the forum and WHAT A KILLER CURVE! As @docslotnick says, never waste a good low 🙂 I see you are a runner and a swimmer, that’s great: we have many runners and swimmers here! You have an amazing A1c! My son (he is only 12) is a swimmer, and has aggressive A1c goals too! If you wish, you might want to visit the [introduce yourself thread](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/welcome-introduce-yourself-here/145/348). Welcome! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudnDaye](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/claudndaye/32/5_2.png) [@ClaudnDaye](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ClaudnDaye)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/34 "2017-09-10T22:45:41Z")
Welcome, @CarolynA! Make sure to drop by the Introduction thread and [introduce yourself!](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/welcome-introduce-yourself-here/145) Very nice to have you here and I second @Michel’s congratulations on the killer curves! ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/35 "2017-09-10T22:49:16Z")
> [@ClaudnDaye](#): > > So more bolus/basal insulin up front… I think it is a bit safer to do it in two phases: A pre-bolus, and then another bolus right when you start. As an example, if you need a total of 10 units, doing it all up front and waiting for the low might work, but you wouldn’t really enjoy the milkshake because you wouldn’t be “aware”. 😵 But if you did it 5 units upfront, and then another 5 when you started eating, that makes the low less severe. > [@Michel](#): > > Round 1 is not giving us a good BG curve so far: he has been going up steadily since he ate, now past 170 ☹ Make a note of what it takes to bring him back down from that 170 spike. That amount, plus your pre-bolus amount, is what you bring to the next gunfight. Then it’s just a matter of figuring out how to split it up before and during. EDIT: As you already know, the total amount for recovering from a high would be more than what is needed to prevent that high, so you would actually use less total. You already know that, but I wanted to put that here for anyone reading. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/36 "2017-09-10T23:45:18Z")
Well, this was an ugly curve: it went over two hundred and has been hovering there for a couple of hours despite multiple injections. This makes me wonder if a hormone spike came in as he was recovering from his meal: glucose spikes typically respond very well to insulin, but hormone spikes don’t. So I am not sure if this curve will be relevant to the analysis of the banana split ☹ We may have to duplicate round 1 with round 2 (next week!) and see if we get the same results. Either way, it was really delicious 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![docslotnick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/docslotnick/32/75_2.png) [@docslotnick](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/docslotnick)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/37 "2017-09-11T01:13:16Z")
@Michel There’s a possibility that he reached his carb threshold, and was in the territory where his C/I is just not linear. I noted this in myself when I cut my daily carbs down by about 40%, and stopped eating 60-80 carbs at one sitting. You remember how astonished you were that I had been taking north of 100 bolus units/day? Cutting carbs by 40% has reduced that to an average of less than 30 bolus units/day. And I’ve also decreased basal by almost half. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/38 "2017-09-11T01:16:12Z")
> [@docslotnick](#): > > Cutting carbs by 40% has reduced that to an average of less than 30 bolus units/day. And I’ve also decreased basal by almost half. I did consider that as another possibility. I am not sure which it is. Another possibility is that these ice creams systematically understate carbs in their nutrition info. Dropping your basal by half is truly extraordinary! ---
**Author:** ![docslotnick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/docslotnick/32/75_2.png) [@docslotnick](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/docslotnick)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/39 "2017-09-11T01:22:34Z")
> [@Michel](#): > > Dropping your basal by half is truly extraordinary! Over-carbifying was in big part a result of taking too much basal insulin, so much so that I had to titrate it way down to a reasonable level. Just shows how out of whack I let it get. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877/40 "2017-09-11T01:24:20Z")
> [@docslotnick](#): > > Just shows how out of whack I let it get. Not only you, these kids of creeping errors happen to all of us – hard to pick up! [Previous page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/the-great-milkshake-and-banana-split-challenge/1877.md?page=3)