# So I want to eat something I have no business eating and at LEAST want to stand a fighting chance: What type of extended bolus is best? **URL:** \ **Category:** Type 1 & LADA\ **Created:** [May 30, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124 "2018-05-30T03:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TiaG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/tiag/32/594_2.png) [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/41 "2018-06-01T16:38:34Z")
> The words “POW camp” crossed my mind and, given the prominent role food plays in my life, and in my enjoyment of my life, the book ended up in a yard sale. This made me LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/aaron/32/1454_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/42 "2018-06-01T16:47:46Z")
For the records - I find pasta very easy to bolus for. For me it digests slowly and follows the insulin curve well. And for cookies - it really depends on the cookies. We have some high butter fat chocolate chip cookies that take about 1.5 to 2 hours to complete their blood sugar effect. I find this work well with exercise like yardwork where I need a long slow release of glucose. I also eat low carb cookies made with almond flour (which are good for my son who is T1 and celiac). > [@TiaG](#): > > I’m confident, are _well aware_ of Dr. Bernstein’s recommendations – but for the most part don’t adhere to them. 😄 - I have to say - he provides a simple solution that works for him and a lot of people . I learned a lot reading his book… but if I had to go for a beer with someone who wrote a diabetes book (ok beer has lots of carbs - sort of like liquid bread - but he says beer is ok but bread is not ?) I would probably go with Gary Scheiner instead or the sugar surfing guy. I love how he basically writes off aerobic exercise because it is too difficult to deal with blood sugar wise. Anywhoo… I have been a lazy diabetic lately… Eating higer carb lately (lots of ice cream and cookies) and over-treating lows with cookies (I know I know), not counting protein, eating cheezies before bed. But I have been very active (aerobically) which makes this a lot easier. Numbers are not great (like the Bernstien folks) but not too bad either… ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/f/f9b2e19b62478ff9da428b31009fdcf1a0d29ff0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Katers87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a9adbd/32.png) [@Katers87](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Katers87)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/43 "2018-06-01T16:48:29Z")
Right?! That’s an intense recommendation! ---
**Author:** ![Katers87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a9adbd/32.png) [@Katers87](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Katers87)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/44 "2018-06-01T16:51:47Z")
You guys are all impressive. Thanks for sharing all your fabulous charts and data. ---
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/45 "2018-06-01T17:55:18Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Numbers are not great Trade ya! They’re better than mine. D’you think the secret is the cheezies before bed? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/46 "2018-06-01T19:39:04Z")
> [@Katers87](#): > > One thing that was super interesting is that he recommends nightly mini-doses of Naltrexone for carb addicts. He says it releases endorphins that prevents carb-binging the next day. I was taking LDN off and on before/during my last pregnancy (to try to tamp down thyroid antibody levels - it did work, at first). The only effect on my diet was how nauseated it made me, so I didn’t want to eat. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/aaron/32/1454_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/47 "2018-06-01T20:50:03Z")
@Beacher - Could have been the Hawkins, could have been the ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/d/d5b65adc1acc168e4e1ad009038963baf0325ae2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/48 "2018-06-03T20:43:29Z")
> [@Chris](#): > > It is not like insulin is a dangerous drug or anything… thanks for pointing this out. i am half joking and half deadly serious.( 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/49 "2018-06-03T20:49:18Z")
> [@TiaG](#): > > pasta is one of the easiest things for us to bolus for! i am both thrilled and happy for you and terribly jealous at the same time. would love to figure pasta out. i think the closest i could guess for it would be to try out a 50% up front, and 50% over 2 hours (which on Medronic would be called a “dual bolus” ). this is just a starting point as my best educated guess. i think that most of my experiments with using dual boluses start with this formula, and then i refine it as i learn what doesnt work. ( but i always try to keep in mind that fattier foods require, at least for me, a long, 3+ hour extended bolus; so i do something like 25% up front, and 75% extended over 3 hours, for say, if i want to have a burger and fries or pizza) does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/50 "2018-06-03T21:09:14Z")
> [@daisymae](#): > > does that make sense? It sure sounds right to me. ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/51 "2018-06-03T21:17:54Z")
do you do something similar? ---
**Author:** ![elver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/elver/32/8772_2.png) [@elver](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/elver)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/52 "2018-06-03T22:47:31Z")
@daisymae I’m with you. Pasta I have yet to figure out. Pizza is getting better thanks to @daisymae 's suggestions. Generally speaking I save Pizza for a day I have been running low most of the day, then if I am \<90 mg/dl before eating will bolus 30-35% up front with no wait time before eating, and the balance over 90 minutes. Occasionally I see a late rise, which I stomp on early and hard by over-bolusing for the correction. I have not used this technique for very long, but it does seem to work most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/53 "2018-06-04T01:02:05Z")
> [@daisymae](#): > > do you do something similar? Back when manual pumping, yes. For pasta I’d do 50% up front and 50% over 2 hours. And then watch the cgm to see if I needed to make any adjustments. ---
**Author:** ![lh378](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/lh378/32/601_2.png) [@lh378](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/lh378)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/54 "2020-03-18T02:44:34Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > For the records - I find pasta very easy to bolus for. For me it digests slowly and follows the insulin curve well. > [@Aaron](#): > > For the records - I find pasta very easy to bolus for. For me it digests slowly and follows the insulin curve well. > > And for cookies - it really depends on the cookies. We have some high butter fat chocolate chip cookies that take about 1.5 to 2 hours to complete their blood sugar effect. I find this work well with exercise like yardwork where I need a long slow release of glucose. I also eat low carb cookies made with almond flour (which are good for my son who is T1 and celiac). > > > [@TiaG](#): > > > > I’m confident, are _well aware_ of Dr. Bernstein’s recommendations – but for the most part don’t adhere to them. > > 😄 - I have to say - he provides a simple solution that works for him and a lot of people . I learned a lot reading his book… but if I had to go for a beer with someone who wrote a diabetes book (ok beer has lots of carbs - sort of like liquid bread - but he says beer is ok but bread is not ?) I would probably go with Gary Scheiner instead or the sugar surfing guy. > > I love how he basically writes off aerobic exercise because it is too difficult to deal with blood sugar wise. > > Anywhoo… I have been a lazy diabetic lately… Eating higer carb lately (lots of ice cream and cookies) and over-treating lows with cookies (I know I know), not counting protein, eating cheezies before bed. But I have been very active (aerobically) which makes this a lot easier. > > Numbers are not great (like the Bernstien folks) but not too bad either… > > ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/f/f9b2e19b62478ff9da428b31009fdcf1a0d29ff0.png) How do you bolus for pasta? I would love to hear your bolusing for pasta strategy! My BG seems fine 1, 1.5 and 2 hour. At 3 hours, it’s often ~180 - 200. ---
**Author:** ![CatLady](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/catlady/32/36_2.png) [@CatLady](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CatLady)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124/55 "2020-03-18T15:28:55Z")
Me, too, especially with my husband’s gluten-free pasta! [Previous page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/so-i-want-to-eat-something-i-have-no-business-eating-and-at-least-want-to-stand-a-fighting-chance-what-type-of-extended-bolus-is-best/4124.md?page=2)