# Scattered and looking for something new.... Been Pumping for 12 Years and have Really known Nothing But **URL:** \ **Category:** Type 1 & LADA\ **Created:** [August 29, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871 "2018-08-29T23:50:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/241 "2018-09-10T10:34:49Z")
New Levemir schedule: 7 am 13 units 5 pm 7 units 11 pm: 7 units (Old: 6:30 am 13 units 6:30 pm 9 units) 24 hour and 6 hour graphs, respectively: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/6/6cf18fd0ef9da3ff29c9c1518cb809ae9ecf5f10.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/b/bdef377fda0aad92dcbf1582e7e1e8a08ced8e74.jpeg) But Eric, I just realized that in splitting up the doses, you also ADDED FIVE UNITS to my total 12 hour dose. I’m not complaining, but how did you know to this?? ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/242 "2018-09-10T14:13:13Z")
Help me out with those numbers. Two questions: Was the nighttime too much? What about that afternoon spike? Earlier (Saturday, I think? Maybe Friday?) I mentioned trying to get them on an 8 hour interval: > [@Eric](#): > > If you can go 7am, **3pm** , and 11pm, that gives you 8 hours between shots. Is that doable? But you are doing them at: > [@Nickyghaleb](#): > > 7 am 13 units > 5 pm 7 units > 11 pm: 7 units Doing it at 7, 5, and 11 will emphasize the afternoon spike a bit, because you will be waiting 10 hours instead of 8. And also give you more at night, because your nighttime Levi will be on 6 hours. Is there a schedule that lets you hit them at 8 hour intervals? - 7am - 3pm - 11pm or - 8am - 4pm - 12am or - 6am - 2pm - 10pm Anything like that? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/243 "2018-09-10T15:15:16Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > How about trying something like this: > > 7am 13 units > 5pm 7 units > 11pm 7 units You’re slippin’. Just so you know. Because at first I thought my math skills were just that bad, but I know they aren’t so where would I have gotten that? And then ☝ ☝ But that is the problem with being a sheep and not questioning things. You could’ve been like, “Nicky, we’re going to do shots eight hours apart at 7, 8, AND 9 AM, and there was a chance I was going to do it. Can’t say I hated it though… how it all went. I’ll be back in a sec to tell you… ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/244 "2018-09-10T15:58:02Z")
Yeah, I think the reason I originally said 7am and 5pm was because I thought a 10 hour gap would be okay, and I thought a bit more flexibility schedule-wise would be easier for you. But then after seeing some of your afternoon spikes, I wanted to get a bit more aggressive and wanted to go to 8 hours. So I changed it up a bit, from “7am, 5pm, and 11pm” to “7am, 3pm, and 11pm”. Was that Saturday? I can’t remember. Sorry, I didn’t emphasize that. My bad. But you can look at your spike in the afternoon and determine if it is a) Levi running out, or b) something else, like food or coffee or something. If you think 10 hours is okay, go with it. But if that afternoon spike persists, try going to an 8 hour schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/245 "2018-09-10T16:01:30Z")
> [@Nickyghaleb](#): > > But that is the problem with being a sheep and not questioning things. And man, I encourage you to question everything I or anyone else ever tells you, okay? That helps us all. - If I am right, and you question it, it helps me to clarify it and you to understand it better. - If I am wrong, and you question it, it helps me to learn I made a mistake and you to save yourself some trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/246 "2018-09-10T16:16:31Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > So I changed it up a bit, from “7am, 5pm, and 11pm” to “7am, 3pm, and 11pm”. Was that Saturday? I can’t remember. Yes, I did see that you had changed it, but if I mentioned that I couldn’t make my jokes about you. AND you may have actually been assuming, like I said, that I was thinking and not just doing. IN the future, I’ll think first (AND check your math). 😉 Jokes… just jokes. > [@Eric](#): > > If you think 10 hours is okay, go with it. But if that afternoon spike persists, try going to an 8 hour schedule. Need to look again at the pics. I can’t even remember the spike, but it sounds familiar. I want to say there was something else happening… and I bet it had to do with exercise. I’ll look. Then I’ll show you my graph from today… It’s been really nice. This morning was a little low, but it was also a Monday morning, extra Levemir, and full insulin boluses (based on what I needed over the weekend when I was kicked back in slippers and not at a wind sprint). But even being a little low wasn’t terrible. I just got an extra cup of… got a banana. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/247 "2018-09-10T16:19:42Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > And man, I encourage you to question everything I or anyone else ever tells you, okay? That helps us all. You only know me at this one moment in time and in this corner of my world. Maybe you’d be surprised, but I question everything. I’m my father’s daughter… I question everything. Except for very important things like insulin doses. Don’t have time for it all. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/248 "2018-09-10T16:42:48Z")
> [@Nickyghaleb](#): > > Maybe you’d be surprised, but I question everything. I’m my father’s daughter… I question everything. As I shared with you last night, I question everything too… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/249 "2018-09-10T17:03:06Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > I question everything too… On another level, but, yes, I’d say you do. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/250 "2018-09-10T22:37:50Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > But you can look at your spike in the afternoon and determine if it is a) Levi running out, or b) something else, like food or coffee or something. So I think it was just exercise. I haven’t been able to plan for it— I’ve just done it as soon as there’s time. I exercised around 1:30 today and had a banana just before. So that rise is banana—not Levemir. I really liked how the rest of the day went… ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/251 "2018-09-10T23:48:31Z")
Forgot the graphs… ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/6/67bf786e6b40392a4b5087ca831241bf125d7554.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/6/6fe18914444b15e45c491cde48be94f5dc52285b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MM2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/mm2/32/3032_2.png) [@MM2](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/MM2)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/252 "2018-09-11T03:10:35Z")
> [@Nickyghaleb](#): > > Forgot the graphs… Interesting ride at 8 pm. What was happening? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/253 "2018-09-12T12:42:37Z")
@MM2, that would be my exercise. If I don’t have a way to plan ahead for it, it can really get tricky. I dislike crashing in the middle of a workout so I’ll take some carbs before starting, but I also have to be careful to do the right amount for the appropriate exercise. I wasn’t careful. That’s what was happening. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/254 "2018-09-12T12:48:21Z")
Oh! The zigzag at 8 AM?? That looks like my morning coffee when I wake up low. As soon as I have a sip, I start to rise. The rebound can be pretty intense, so I start bolusing even before I start the cup. Sometimes it’s great, sometimes it’s a yo-yo. Every cup spikes me again so that’s me trying to slow the spike, winning, then having to get the spike again because of a low. I have a feeling you don’t handle your business this way. 😁 Just wait till you see what my chips did last night. 🤦‍♀️ No more late night chips. I mean it this time. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/255 "2018-09-12T13:00:19Z")
So. Levemir has been good. It really has been. It’s _me_ that hasn’t been good. But I’m back out of my hole, owning up, and moving on. Before I show you the night, I’d just like to say this is why I dislike diabetes when I dislike diabetes. I’m becoming a smarter diabetic. I’m learning how to have really good control. Lots of tricks. But it’s all only as good as my effort and energy at that moment. I’ve had a hard couple of days and really wanted to just coast for a bit, but it just doesn’t look like that’s going to be a good option. Ever. I also would like to say I’m not going to eat chips at night anymore. I have 4 nights from over the last couple of weeks that all look the exact same, and I’m about 96% sure each one included a chip party between ten and midnight. I bolused for everything. Last night, my blood sugar was a 40, and I decided I could probably have what was left in the bag (1-1.5 servings) WITHOUT bolusing. It would be about 20-25 grams of carbs. Not a great idea or choice, but it also wasn’t absolutely absurd in my mind either. I figured I’d probably run a little high but figured it wouldn’t take more than an hour until it would be in good range again. Wrong. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/d/ddcca3f75d52b024f1de7423df4acad33d06e17c.jpeg) Here are the other two nights I could find: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/e/e69761b5c714bd5e8dbabf465468e76c2159439a.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/3/397f4f9220c4e67c8278c287f9eab2f7373c1965.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mike\_g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@mike\_g](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/mike_g)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/256 "2018-09-12T13:55:08Z")
Chips cause a problem for me as well. If I work a small amount into a meal, it’s usually okay. For me as a stand alone snack, I recall them affecting BG more than their carb count would indicate. Three thoughts:. 1. I’m told food labels can have a fair amount of error, like 20%. 2. Chips are difficult to measure 3. Some foods raise BG more than they are supposed to, gram for gram. And this effect varies from person to person… Like coffee, for instance… I used to drink about 3 pots of strong coffee per day, between 6 am and 6 pm. I did this for at least 10 years of my diabetic life, and didn’t see that in my BGs or A1Cs. For the past 3 years or so, I’ve drank hit tea instead, and greatly reduced quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/257 "2018-09-12T22:46:43Z")
> [@mike\_g](#): > > If I work a small amount into a meal, it’s usually okay. For me as a stand alone snack, I recall them affecting BG more than their carb count would indicate. Seems to be true for me, too. > [@mike\_g](#): > > I’m told food labels can have a fair amount of error, like 20% I heard this for the first time recently. I had no idea. > [@mike\_g](#): > > Chips are difficult to measure Sure. Sometimes I count 5 or 6 large broken pieces as the equivalent of a chip. They’re actually not all that hard to count when they’re whole, but the broken ones are where the opportunity lies. Can’t pretend two whole chips are only one, but with pieces…Hmmm. So maybe it’s not the chips that I’ve boluses for that are getting me. Maybe it’s the ones I pretended not to eat… The truth hurts. > [@mike\_g](#): > > I used to drink about 3 pots of strong coffee per day, between 6 am and 6 pm. I did this for at least 10 years of my diabetic life, You just said 3 POTS of strong coffee a day…cups??? POTS?? How did you QUIT?? ---
**Author:** ![kpanda01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@kpanda01](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/kpanda01)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/258 "2018-09-12T22:53:16Z")
> [@Nickyghaleb](#): > > Sometimes I count 5 or 6 large broken pieces as the equivalent of a chip. I’m cracking up over here because this is SO me. You are not alone in this, my friend.🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/259 "2018-09-12T23:04:26Z")
@Eric, here’s some Levemir pictures. I took some the other day, too… I’ll see if I can find them so you can see how the three shots are working. So in exhibit 1, if you can shield your eyes from that little midnight blip, you’ll see that between 6ish and midnight, my numbers were pretty good. That drop at midnight came from having a bunch of insulin on board so that I could eat chocolate. And eat it, I did. That midnight rise came as a result of having eaten chips… as a correction 😕 without adding a bolus behind it. So many bad choices last night. On the other side of it, you see my day. Not too bad considering the night. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/1/14f32945d4e0990bfb9d2f7c747554ac4f1762ee.jpeg) This one is today. That drop at 1:30ish was my workout. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/9/9e3a911ea6776462543dc78b4dbf3564eeeec8b3.jpeg) And last one shows the start of a rise at 4:00. That’s a Levemir thing. I was actually starting to go low around 3:30 but hadn’t corrected. Before I knew it, it had turned and was climbing. I bolused 2 units to cover it. I was considering doing 6 units at 11 tonight since my mornings feel a little hypo-ey. And maybe push the 5:00 up a little to 4 or so? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871/260 "2018-09-12T23:13:33Z")
Oh, I’m so glad there’s a you. I know what I’m doing when I’m doing it, but somehow saying it out loud really drives home just how ridiculous…🤦‍♀️ [Previous page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/scattered-and-looking-for-something-new-been-pumping-for-12-years-and-have-really-known-nothing-but/4871.md?page=14)