# Retrospective research with junk science headlines: coffee **URL:** \ **Category:** Supplements\ **Tags:** debunking\ **Created:** [September 19, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063 "2017-09-19T17:27:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/1 "2017-09-19T17:27:25Z")
“Can Coffee or Tea Extend Survival With Diabetes?” I hate clickbait, and junk science. This horrendous title makes the underlying study look like both! We were just engaged in [an interesting debate of retrospective vs prospective, and correlational vs. causal studies](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/study-salt-intake-increases-incidence-of-t2d-and-lada-yet/2050/18). This immediately brought to me this title that I recently saw jumping at me. How likely do you think it is that drinking coffee or tea will fight diabetes for you? That said, the study is interesting. It shows a positive correlation between caffeine drinking and lower death rate for female PWDs. Not a causal link, of course. [https://medlineplus.gov/news/fullstory\_168388.html](https://medlineplus.gov/news/fullstory_168388.html) Certainly not a reason to increase caffeine consumption – but a good feeling about drinking a lot of it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boerenkool](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/boerenkool/32/6307_2.png) [@Boerenkool](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Boerenkool)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/2 "2017-09-19T17:31:27Z")
They have this discussion at TuD too. Except for the first reply not too many serious responses. > **[TuDiabetes Forum](https://forum.tudiabetes.org/)** > > A community of people touched by diabetes. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/3 "2017-09-19T17:37:05Z")
> [@Boerenkool](#): > > They have this discussion at TuD too. Except for the first reply not too many serious responses. Imho, it is a very poor idea to headline this kind of title: this is exactly what helps those purveyors of junk science – cinnamon, ginger, all these “natural” supplements that will “save” us from diabetes. My naive mother forwards me an e-mail a week about all the supplements I could give my son to reverse his T1D. I love her but these people T me off, as do those who feature them. ---
**Author:** ![TiaG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/tiag/32/594_2.png) [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/4 "2017-09-19T18:25:57Z")
well it certainly fights diabetes when I am super sleep deprived after a night of being up all night treating lows 🙂 Pretty sure that’s not what they meant though… ---
**Author:** ![docslotnick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/docslotnick/32/75_2.png) [@docslotnick](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/docslotnick)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/5 "2017-09-19T18:35:23Z")
I’m afraid I would still drink it heartily even if the study said it would kill PWD’s. ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/6 "2017-09-19T19:24:41Z")
If it can i will live essentially forever ---
**Author:** ![Thomas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/thomas/32/1719_2.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Thomas)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/7 "2017-09-19T19:50:24Z")
> [@Boerenkool](#): > > not too many serious responses Hey - I was serious !!! Although perhaps nobody believed me. lol ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/8 "2017-09-19T19:51:58Z")
> [@Thomas](#): > > Hey - I was serious !!! > > Although perhaps nobody believed me. lol Quote: > I told my boss in an emergency, the first step is me having a cup of coffee in front of me. > > He looked at me like I was crazy. (I was serious.) ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/9 "2017-09-19T21:10:48Z")
> [@Michel](#): > > It shows a positive correlation between caffeine drinking and lower death rate for female PWDs. Well, then I’m toast, since I can’t drink caffeine! Y’all enjoy your nice, long, caffeinated lives. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Millz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/millz/32/12204_2.png) [@Millz](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Millz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/10 "2017-09-22T16:20:55Z")
Finally, something I’m doing perfectly!! 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![CatLady](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/catlady/32/36_2.png) [@CatLady](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/11 "2017-09-22T16:22:46Z")
Go ahead, have another cup! ☕️ 😺 ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/retrospective-research-with-junk-science-headlines-coffee/2063/12 "2017-09-22T19:51:45Z")
[https://medlineplus.gov/news/fullstory\_168388.html](https://medlineplus.gov/news/fullstory_168388.html) `The answer may depend on whether you're a man or a woman` I am going to go ahead and have the surgery, just to cover all of my bases.