# Pandamania 10k Training Log **URL:** \ **Category:** Sports & Exercise\ **Tags:** running\ **Created:** [March 3, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467 "2024-03-03T01:22:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/42 "2024-03-07T18:53:29Z")
nope all makes sense. narrow down the variables, pinpoint cause, address cause to produce (or move towards at least) desired result. šŸ‘ if iā€™m heading higher in the morning anyway then my basal probably needs to titrate up a smidge is what iā€™m hearing? and if not, then i should figure out why a fun 2 miler stressed me out so bad (without me noticing, as far as nerves or anything i wasnā€™t stressed to my knowledge). maybe i should stop reading the news in the morning, iā€™m only sort of kidding šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/43 "2024-03-07T19:36:33Z")
I have to take 1 unit (or sometimes even more) for a cup of coffee without any sugar in it! This phenomenon is common with diabetics and I donā€™t know that anyone has ever given a reason for it or explained it. It is not the caffeine, because I can drink Diet Cokes all day long without an issue. I can drink any other caffeinated drink and nothing happens. But coffee spikes me. So if you are always starting the day with coffee (perfectly fine to do), you might need some insulin just for the cup. Another test would be to try skipping the coffee on one of your running days to see what happens. If you know the coffee is doing it, then itā€™s easy to fix. * * * * * * Check out other discussion about this on FUD. I donā€™t know that there is anything in these threads that will help you, other than to realize that coffee does cause issues for some people. > [@Spiking from Coffee/ Caffeine SOS](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/spiking-from-coffee-caffeine-sos/1208): > > i am on the pump and cannot figure out a way to drink coffee without spiking. i donā€™t know if i should be bolusing for it, and if i need to bolus, how much do i bolus. the most caffeine i have in my day to day diet is an occasional can of diet pepsi. other than that, i live in a caffeine-free world. (and i would love to have some caffeine.) the weird thing is, i canā€™t even drink de-caff without spiking. go figure that out wink does anyone else have this problem, and if yes, what do you do aboā€¦ > [@Bolus for coffee or tea?](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolus-for-coffee-or-tea/13267): > > Those of you who bolus for coffee or tea, is this for the ā€œaccessoriesā€ like milk or sweetener etc, or is there something about coffee or tea itself (caffeine?) that increases BG? ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/44 "2024-03-07T19:58:00Z")
got it! i will a/b test all of this until i dial it in. thank you for sort of helping me figure out what levers are likely choices to pull; iā€™d be totally in the dark on my own. ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/45 "2024-03-07T20:05:17Z")
I used to have coffee every morning (decaf) and had to bolus for 20gms of carbs for just one cup with cream and Splenda. It was such a nuesance that i switched from coffee to Tea. Now I only have to account for 8gms of carbs. And its decaf tea as well. But, like Eric, I can drink Diet Pepsis all dqay long and they have absolutely NO effect on my sugars. There must be some secret ingredient in coffee that we dont know about. Maybe one day some brilliant nuclear physicist will figure out this conundrum šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/46 "2024-03-07T20:07:34Z")
that is wild!!! i guess technically if you think about it, coffee is made from beans, which contain carbs as well as fiberā€¦? itā€™s hot water filtered through finely ground beans. maybe that has something to do with it, in that it spoofs something somehow and confuses the system? no idea!!! too weird. and of course itā€™s coffee that does it šŸ˜©šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/47 "2024-03-07T20:09:02Z")
now thereā€™s a concept that never would have ever occured to me!! ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/48 "2024-03-07T20:11:11Z")
iā€™m just spitballing and iā€™m no scientist for sure! but it strikes me that tea is steeped from leaves or herbs or citrus rinds or whatever, diet sodas are flavorings and sweeteners dissolved into carbonated water, and coffee is water forced through finely ground beans. coffee seems like itā€™s alone in being a filtration/press from a carb-containing origin item, so maybe that has something to do with it šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø pure speculation on my part though! ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/49 "2024-03-07T20:28:40Z")
Hey, while you both are here - @daisymae and @panda, in case you have not met yetā€¦introductions all around! šŸ˜ @daisymae has several really great threads on swimming and how she has conquered all the BG stuff. ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/50 "2024-03-07T20:47:42Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > and how she has conquered all the BG stuff. Yeah, ive got it all figured outā€¦lol (Like that will ever happen) šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/51 "2024-03-07T20:58:46Z")
you know, i had a coach many years ago who would always say ā€œpractice makes progressā€. i have found that to be extremely applicable here šŸ˜…šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø and iā€™ve read chunks of the getting back in the pool thread: @daisymae i donā€™t know how to say this without sounding like a cheeseball, but youā€™re an inspiration to me. (and sorry for being a creeper on your thread, itā€™s nice to ā€œmeetā€ you šŸ˜…) ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/52 "2024-03-08T12:05:42Z")
Well thank you very much Panda! Its a pleasure meeting you!! ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/53 "2024-03-08T13:52:34Z")
Run #5: Tempo Three: 17 Days to Go Sleep Hours: 7 6:00: itā€™s Thriving Thursday!! letā€™s get out and make it happen! BG: 150, Lantus 6u, NovoLog 1u, black coffee 7:00: BG 110 and dropping, dilute juice (5g) 7:45: BG 130, time to fly! 8:00: Tempo Three 3.5 miles @ 9:30 pace, Start BG: 133, End BG: 94 8:45: cooldown walk, BG steady ~90s CGM 9:15: BG 121 rising, 2u NovoLog 9:45: BG 114, 2 egg omelette with tomato/mozzarella/herbs, small slice wheat toast (15g) with butter, black coffee 9:50: BG 95 10:00: BG 86 and dropping: sometimes i get postprandial drops, today might be my lucky day for that šŸ™„šŸ˜‘šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø letā€™s see if it levels off before i hit the juice boxes 10:10: BG 76 and dropping šŸ˜‘ i just ate and donā€™t want to overcorrect but i may have whiffed this 10:15: aha! we leveled off mid-70s, back on track 11:00: BG 85, 0.5 Clif bar (20g), 0.75 mile Dog Dawdle easy walking 11:30: BG 75 12:00: BG 97 trending up, NovoLog 1u 12:25: BG 132, NovoLog 1u 1:00: BG 75 going down, juice (15g) 1:15: BG 53, juice (15g) 1:30: BG 70, whole grain crackers (15g) 1:45: BG 130 rising, NovoLog 2u 2:00: BG 168, NovoLog 2u 3:25: BG 54 and dropping, juice (30g) 3:45: BG 90, almonds and cheerios (25g) 5:00: BG 94, NovoLog 2u 6:00: BG 90, brown rice/chicken/side salad (20g) 9:30: Lantus 12u, NovoLog 2u 10:30 BG rising, NovoLog 1u 11:00: BG 68, small apple and mini protein bar (30g) 12:00: BG 101, good night moon! DAILY TOTALS: 18u Lantus, 11u NovoLog, Carbs: 190g, 3.5mile run, CanineConstitutional Run #5: Three and a Half : 03/07/2024 Distance: 3.5 miles Song of the Day: ā€œThat Donā€™t Impress Me Muchā€, Shania Twain Run Time: 32:15 RPE: ~8/10 Location: Treadmill Surface: Treadmill Shoe: Hoka Torrent 2 Start Time: 8:05 PST End Time: 8:38 PST Start BG: 135 End BG: 94 Notes: BG spiked out of the gate, up around 165, then made a sharp turn and nosedived about 25 minutes in. ended in range and level in the 90s after 10min walking cool down. ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/54 "2024-03-08T14:34:10Z")
PS: the morning high culprit isnā€™t coffee, it appears to be my basal dosing. no workout today, so morning lantus and skipped my wakeup cuppa to watch BG and it rose anyway. lantus adjustments here we come! ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/55 "2024-03-08T16:01:54Z")
Good job! šŸ‘ > [@panda](#): > > 6:00: itā€™s Thriving Thursday!! letā€™s get out and make it happen! BG: 150, Lantus 6u, NovoLog 1u, black coffee > > 7:00: BG 110 and dropping, dilute juice (5g) > > 7:45: BG 130, time to fly! > > 8:00: Tempo Three 3.5 miles @ 9:30 pace, Start BG: 133, End BG: 94 The drop you had was most likely a combination of the Lantus kicking in, the 1u you took for the coffee, and maybe some from the run too. It looks like the 1u covered everything pretty well. You leveled out nicely at the end around 90, but just make a note of how much dropped in a short time. A 40 point drop in 30 minutes is something to be aware of. If your run was longer, it probably wouldā€™ve been good to take something at that 94. Nice work, @panda ! * * * * * * An additional note: One of the easiest ways to tell if you are low when you are running is if you are not tracking a straight line. If you have a lot of left and right zig-zag, you are probably low. šŸ˜® I think I have said this, but in case I have not, I will repeat it. (_Apologies for repeating myself, but I canā€™t remember all the stuff I have already said. And this one is important!_) ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/56 "2024-03-08T16:04:35Z")
> [@panda](#): > > my wakeup cuppa to watch BG and it rose anyway. lantus adjustments here we come! Another thing you can do for the morning rise is the micro-dosing. Now that you have your stuff, I will post a link to another thread with some instructions. ---
**Author:** ![CarlosLuis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/carlosluis/32/11389_2.png) [@CarlosLuis](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CarlosLuis)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/57 "2024-03-08T16:38:17Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > If you have a lot of left and right zig-zag, you are probably low. šŸ˜® The worst low I had while bicycling in the 40s and dropping caused be to be zigzagging from pavement edge to edge. My brain was so frazzled I thought something was wrong with the bike šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/58 "2024-03-08T16:49:03Z")
yikes lol!! i bet this applies to skiing, tooā€¦ i will watch out for uneven tracking. on outdoor runs and in backcountry skiing/hiking, i do also have m keeping an eye on me, who gets underfoot and hassles me until i deal with the issue. but it wouldnā€™t hurt to tune in better myself also. i will use treadmill sessions to try and dial the clues for going low, so iā€™m not quite as dependent on her helping me out. more redundancy for safety = better! i feel like i can probably play a little over the next few weeks with lantus adjustments and microdosing to land in a happy morning place for race dayā€¦ although gotta admit, the last thing i microdosed was shroomsā€¦ šŸ¤£šŸ‘ and i think i have ruled out coffee as a spiker: i tested it today once i had ascertained the rise happened without it. so i checked sugar and drank 2 cups black without dosing. 2 cups didnā€™t raise my sugar particularly, i stayed in the same 8-point zone (around 150ish) with only lantus (12u PM and 6u AM) onboard. tiny blessings i guess if i donā€™t react to the black gold! and @CarlosLuis man, we should be friends, i would have totally blamed the equipment myself!!! ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/59 "2024-03-08T17:26:39Z")
Okay @panda, here is an FUD thread on making diluted vials. (You are on your own with the šŸ„'s though! šŸ˜‚ ) Please note that this thread was written for somebody who was making diluted insulin for an infant. As such, these directions are seriously over-the-top about being careful! You can tell if your BG is dropping, but a little baby canā€™t. Thatā€™s why these directions are written like this. But overall, these instructions are very detailed, and should get you through the process. Also, the instructions were written for using an insulin vial. But for you, instead of using an insulin vial which you donā€™t have yet, you can actually use your pen to put the insulin into the mixing (diluted) vial. Other than that, itā€™s all the same instructions. The main thing to be aware of, since you may not have experience with vials, is that you need to remove air. Whatever you put _into_ the vial, you gotta take _out_ that same volume of air. And vice versa. If you are taking 1 unit of diluted insulin _out_, you put 1 unit of air _into_ the vial. _(Not sure if that is common-sense, or known by people who have not used vials. Just wanted to mention it, just in case.)_ And before we get to the actual mixing instructions, let me mention that I think a **20%** diluted vial would be very useful for you. Since you now have the 1/2 unit syringes, you can use a 20% diluted vial and have the ability to dose almost anything you want! Using the 20% vial, look at all the good things you can get! - 1/2 unit from your syringe gives = 0.10 units of actual insulin - 1 unit from your syringe gives = 0.20 units of actual insulin - 1 1/2 units from your syringe gives = 0.30 units of actual insulin - etc., etc., etcā€¦ I think 20% is a great setup for you. šŸ‘ Anyway, here it isā€¦ > [@Very careful insulin dilution instructions](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/very-careful-insulin-dilution-instructions/14089): > > These instructions will seem ridiculously over-the-top detailed and meticulous to many of you. Thatā€™s fine. They are intended to be as ultra-cautious and careful as possible. Itā€™s one thing if you go low or high. You know whatā€™s happening and know what to do. Itā€™s an entirely different thing when it happens to a 9-month-old infant, who canā€™t tell anyone if they are low or high, and doesnā€™t even know. Insulin and diluent look the same. And you canā€™t tell if you have 100% or 10% or anything in-bā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/60 "2024-03-08T17:27:51Z")
roger! i was a certified cold chain handler/reconstituter for vaccines when we were making pushes for covid and i was on the response team, so i feel pretty comfortable with the lab science side of it! (pfizer especially was very touchy and the only one requiring reconstitution. temperature sensitive, physically delicate, and very tiny amounts and ratios that had to be just right.) i will deploy my speed reading skills and dig through this. ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/panda/32/11275_2.png) [@panda](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467/61 "2024-03-08T17:53:28Z")
(a totally unrelated aside, given what we know now about the apparent/possible relationship between diabetes and potential bad covid outcomes, i was likely risking more than i knew. i spent december 2020-june 2021 working front line full time in the trenches, including on-the-ground outbreak interventions and settings like ambulances and hospitals. i spent a ton of time in hot zones that year, including jails and nursing homes, and was diagnosed fall 2023ā€¦ i was completely unaware of the pancreatic time bomb i was carrying until very recently. volunteering was probably way more dangerous than i realized at the time. šŸ˜¬šŸ˜¬šŸ˜¬šŸ˜¬šŸ˜¬ i was maniacal about my PPE and to my knowledge never contracted it. once again it is smarter to be lucky than itā€™s lucky to be smart!!) [Previous page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/pandamania-10k-training-log/14467.md?page=4)