# Non-invasive BG strip developed in Australia **URL:** \ **Category:** T2 Research\ **Created:** [July 13, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593 "2021-07-13T15:59:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/1 "2021-07-13T15:59:37Z")
Could be nice. Would have been nicer before more reliable CGMs though. > **[Australian scientists develop pain-free blood sugar test for diabetics](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australian-scientists-develop-pain-free-blood-sugar-test-diabetics-2021-07-13/)** > > Australian scientists say they have developed the "holy grail" of blood sugar testing for diabetics, a non-invasive strip that checks glucose levels via saliva. ---
**Author:** ![MM2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/mm2/32/3032_2.png) [@MM2](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/MM2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/2 "2021-07-13T18:08:36Z")
Interesting, but why do they use the term “diabetes sufferers”… ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/3 "2021-07-13T23:03:37Z")
That’s just the turn of phrase in Australia. Where folks in New York might refer to “New Years revelers,” in Victoria or Melbourne there’s some chance that they’d refer to “New Years sufferers.” Local idioms are what they are. I consider myself to be a diabetes reveler, how about you? …maybe I’d better elaborate before I get in trouble. Local terminology in some places calls any kind of medical issue an “affliction,” and someone so afflicted is termed “a sufferer.” “To suffer an affliction” says nothing about a state of misery, it just means “to have that medical condition” and nothing further is connoted. ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/4 "2021-07-14T01:46:16Z")
Curious, quoting the article: > However, this latest test works by embedding an enzyme that detects glucose into a transistor that can then transmit the presence of glucose Ok. That’s the invention; yet another way of detecting glucose in a fluid, but where is the “non-invasive” part; that depends on getting the fluid in the first place. I guess there is some correlation with BG levels in saliva and BG levels in blood; after all, those of us who are old enough grew up with testing BG levels in urine, which is also non-invasive. Yet I don’t think these guys care about that (rightly so; printing glucose, or other, test strips may well have merit). More likely reuters are pumping an interesting story that they knew they couldn’t sell… Hum. “Diabetic discovers ancient method of testing glucose that is entirely non-invasive, experts proclaim that ‘[urinate]-on-a-stick’ is ground breaking technology for diabetes management.” Sorry, fud obliged that I translate the term to science-speak, hence the . Modern communication… ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 1:53am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/5 "2021-07-14T01:53:17Z")
> [@bkh](#): > > That’s just the turn of phrase in Australia. UK too; I’d never realized this didn’t work in US english! (I’ve been living here, the US, for over 25 years…) One suffers from an affliction, therefore one is both afflicted and suffering. The only question in my mind is whether the affliction is diabetes, as opposed to non-production of insulin or insulin resistance. After all, there are [uses](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/topic/11591). ---
**Author:** ![MM2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/mm2/32/3032_2.png) [@MM2](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/MM2)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/6 "2021-07-14T03:06:45Z")
> [@bkh](#): > > I consider myself to be a diabetes reveler, how about you? I’m a PWD. Found this… **ˈsufferer** _n_ Usage: It is better to avoid using the words _suffer_ and _sufferer_ in relation to chronic illness or disability. They may be considered demeaning and disempowering. Suitable alternative are _have_ , _experience_ , _be diagnosed with_ Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014 ---
**Author:** ![Marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Marie](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Marie)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/7 "2021-07-14T04:11:14Z")
This would be really cool. Save those fingers~! ---
**Author:** ![bwschulz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/bwschulz/32/8869_2.png) [@bwschulz](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bwschulz)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/8 "2021-07-15T19:42:30Z")
There’s been a move towards more person-centric language to take the focus off the disease or disorder and be more inclusive. I agree that “sufferers” is a bit weird and In the US they would probably say “persons with diabetes”. Amputees are now “persons with limb loss”, which is also more inclusive of the people who were born with it (i.e. congenital amputees). Para/quadraplegics are now “wheelchair users”, which also includes the wide range of other reasons you might need a wheelchair. ---
**Author:** ![bwschulz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/bwschulz/32/8869_2.png) [@bwschulz](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bwschulz)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/9 "2021-07-15T19:49:15Z")
You have to wash your hands before using a test strip to avoid contamination with sugars and carbs you might have touched, but you actually eat those carbs using your mouth. Do you have to clean your mouth out before using these? How do they avoid detecting the carbs in something you may have eaten? This reminds me of the old adage, “Quick, Cheap, or Good- choose two”. This sounds like they nailed quick and cheap and don’t even mention how well it works. ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/10 "2021-07-16T00:38:29Z")
> [@bwschulz](#): > > You have to wash your hands before using a test strip to avoid contamination with sugars and carbs you might have touched, but you actually eat those carbs using your mouth. Do you have to clean your mouth out before using these? Indeed, here is the horse’s mouth: [https://www.newcastle.edu.au/newsroom/featured/needle-free-diabetes-test](https://www.newcastle.edu.au/newsroom/featured/needle-free-diabetes-test) I particularly love this quote: > The saliva test makes painful finger-prick testing for type 1 and type 2 diabetes obsolete, representing the first major innovation since the blood glucose test was developed in the 1960s. The Truth: > Initially licensed in 2016 to commercial research partner, The [iQ Group Global -](https://theiqgroupglobal.com/) a life sciences company developing non-invasive, real-time diagnostic testing for patients, the saliva glucose biosensor was listed on the NASDAQ on Christmas Eve in 2020 under [GBS Inc](https://gbs.inc/). It raised US$21.6 million (AU$27.4 million) at its Initial Public Offering (IPO). So it’s a corporation, not, as Reuters suggested: > SYDNEY, July 13 (Reuters) - Australian scientists (From the original post.) ---
**Author:** ![Beacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a6a055/32.png) [@Beacher](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Beacher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/11 "2021-07-16T12:42:28Z")
Interesting sleuthing, @jbowler. I got the impression the thrill for the developers was printable transistors – cheap and easy. Then they seemed to wildly grab at some application people could easily relate to, to give their invention some good publicity. Seems to have worked! ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/13 "2022-04-25T22:27:44Z")
> [@psfud123](#): > > I used non-invasive strip tests in the 1980. Do you have a product name, from the past? The possibilities seem interesting, and most new stuff originated 40 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/15 "2022-04-26T00:14:53Z")
Dang. I’d hoped it might be reacting to skin secretions, as opposed to those of the kidneys which are, alas, too late and too difficult. Clinistix reinvented. ---
**Author:** ![MM2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/mm2/32/3032_2.png) [@MM2](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/MM2)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/16 "2022-04-26T03:31:58Z")
> [@psfud123](#): > > Lilly made it. The product name was Tes-tape and you peed on it. I used tes-tape for many years, and also doing the urine+water drops in test tube, then adding the magic tablet that fizzled it all up and turned colors. And got really hot! They were non-invasive, and better than nothing. Primarily used log of dates/results to show doctor, that might lead to dosage or diet changes. ---
**Author:** ![jbowler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jbowler](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/jbowler)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/non-invasive-bg-strip-developed-in-australia/11593/17 "2022-04-27T02:03:12Z")
> [@MM2](#): > > I used tes-tape for many years, and also doing the urine+water drops in test tube, then adding the magic tablet that fizzled it all up and turned colors. And got really hot! Clintest! Yeah; convinced me I should do chemistry. I persuaded my parents to get me the chemistry kit as a present etc… IRC it’s copper in both (the tes-tape green makes me thing that). Excellent example of an exothermic reaction in the Clinitest case. As Archimedes said, “Give me something that gets hot enough and a place to put it and I can blow up the earth.” Or something like that. Never trust a quote from me.