### Author:  [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2017, 4:21am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/21 "2017-11-06T04:21:51Z")
> [@TiaG](#):
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> didn’t Beethoven go deaf from lead toxicity from wine casks though?
From Wikipedia:
The cause of Beethoven’s deafness is unknown, but has variously been attributed to typhus, auto-immune disorders (such as systemic lupus erythematosus), and even his habit of immersing his head in cold water to stay awake.[52] The explanation from Beethoven’s autopsy was that he had a “distended inner ear,” which developed lesions over time.[
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### Author:  [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/22 "2017-11-06T04:24:12Z")
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> To reexamine the cause of Beethoven's hearing loss because of significant recent articles.Medical and musical literature online, in print, and personal communication.Relevant literature review.Evidence of otosclerosis is lacking because close gross examination of Beethoven's middle ears at autopsy did not find any otosclerotic foci. His slowly progressive hearing loss over a period of years differs from reported cases of autoimmune hearing loss, which are rapidly progressive over a period of months. He also lacked bloody diarrhea that is invariably present with autoimmune inflammatory bowel disease. The absence of mercury in Beethoven's hair and bone samples leads us to conclude that his deafness was not due to syphilis because in that era syphilis was treated with mercury. High levels of lead deep in the bone suggest repeated exposure over a long period of time rather than limited exposure prior to the time of death. The finding of shrunken cochlear nerves at his autopsy is consistent with axonal degeneration due to heavy metals such as lead. Chronic low-level lead exposure causes a slowly progressive hearing loss with sensory and autonomic findings, rather than the classic wrist drop due to motor neuropathy from sub-acute poisoning. Beethoven's physicians thought that he had alcohol dependence. He particularly liked wine that happened to be tainted with lead.Beethoven's chronic consumption of wine tainted with lead is a better explanation of his hearing loss than other causes.
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### Author:  [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/23 "2017-11-06T04:27:11Z")
Well then we’d certainly have thrown out his embryo if it was prone to alchoholism too, the deafness just illustrates the point a little better
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### Author:  [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)
#### Post date: [November 6, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/24 "2017-11-06T06:07:28Z")
True. I’m sure there are scientists working to identify the “alcoholism” genes for the express purpose of modifying or eliminating them, even though it’s likely those genes also contribute in many people to other more desirable traits.
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### Author:  [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/25 "2017-11-26T22:51:53Z")
i am adopted. when i was adopted i did not come with a label warning my parents that i was going to get T1D or Paranoid Schizophrenia. you all know what D is like to live with and to manage; many people are unaware about what it is like to be or to live with a schizophrenic. for years it was a horror show and a complete nightmare. thank god there are medications that have made my life managable, livable. i spent so much of my life in hospitals receiving treatments, different medications, and more.
my parents had tried for years to get pregnant, but my mother kept miscarrying. when they got me, i was their golden child. i was flawless in their eyes. they have stood by me through everything you can imagine.
recently, this past year, my mother went for an anual OBGYN appointment. the doctor dx her with fallopian tube fibroids, explaining that this was the reason that my mother had kept miscarrying. now, in this more technically and medically advanced century, this could have been caught early and cured and my mother could have easily carried her baby to term. but this was not known back when she and my father were trying to get pregnant.
my mother told me this story after the appointment with her doctor. I told her how sorry i was to hear about this. she turned to me with a huge smile on her face and told me " Daisy, if it hadnt been for those fibroids, i would never have been lucky enough to adopt you. and you are the greatest gift in the world to me.!!!"
what could be better than that 😊
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### Author:  [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/26 "2017-11-27T15:38:03Z")
> [@daisymae](#):
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> what could be better than that
Nothing could be better than that! Congrats!
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### Author:  [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/27 "2017-11-27T17:51:25Z")
> [@SLEE](#):
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> Ask almost any diabetic person if they wish they had not been born. I think you will find that almost all would chose to exist. Who are we to deny any embryo the chance at life.
i hope that this does not come across as too controversial, but i would think, if i were to follow this line of thinking ( PWD wishing that they had not been born), that we would have a greater risk of suicides for PWD. and if not suicides, terrible mental disorders, like major depression.
living with D and mental illness has been an incredible, daily challenge. but, what i have received b/c of having these diseases is a strong constitution and the gift of an ability to look at the glass as forever being 1/2 FULL **NEVER** 1/2 empty. i have a gratitude for life and living that i dont see very often in other people.
i would rather feel frustrations **and gratitude** , than disappointment and unhappiness. ☀
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### Author:  [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/28 "2017-11-28T02:06:15Z")
> [@daisymae](#):
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> i would rather feel frustrations and gratitude, than disappointment and unhappiness. ☀
That is excellent advice, even though it wasn’t intended as advice. I am so glad you’re here too! And that you’ve got parents who appreciate and stand by you.
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### Author:  [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/29 "2017-11-28T04:23:54Z")
> [@TravelingOn](#):
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> And that you’ve got parents who appreciate and stand by you.
even after all these years, my parents still dont understand D. but they try. they will buy some cake that is “sugar free” and i will tell them how wonderfully considerate and thoughtful they are, and then i will try to explain to them that “sugar free” does not make it truly sugar free. 😉
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### Author:  [@Gary](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Gary)
#### Post date: [November 28, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/if-you-could-select-children-to-avoid-the-risk-of-diabetes/2546/30 "2017-11-28T16:29:15Z")
I agree with what you say. I made a point for the sake of discussion.
When I said ask any diabetic I did not mean it literally. Unfortunately there would be a minority that would choose not to exist. Putting the idea in their mind would, as you pointed out, be a terrible idea.
Thanks Daisy for pointing this out
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