# DN’s Running and Other Mishaps Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Sports & Exercise\ **Created:** [July 5, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398 "2018-07-05T23:53:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1111 "2019-03-04T01:58:45Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > Did you know that if you got the iFit module for your treadmill, I could program your workouts for you? That was at the top of my _old_ To Do list. I dropped that sucker in the trash. Wasn’t getting any of it done, and it was starting to make me feel bad. I saved the email though. I’ll go find it and try to call them tomorrow to see if they can tell me what I’m supposed to do. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1112 "2019-03-04T01:59:57Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > I hide mine under my desk… You’ve got really good kids. I could put mine there, but they wouldn’t stay. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1113 "2019-03-04T02:30:05Z")
Today’s run… First, let me explain. I posted yesterday’s run with the CGM values as well as meter values. They all aligned fairly well. I didn’t have any IOB, and I didn’t have a fast crash. I also looked at what happened with the Glucose Liquid Shot vs. the CLIF gel and saw what I expected— that the glucose shot was much faster and much better. I’m writing all of this because I wanted to kind of do the second part to that today, hoping to show how the CGMs look with a less stable blood sugar AND hoping to look at those carb sources again. So I’m _not_ just testing away, in case it’s how it looks. I’m learning. And I’m drawing a few conclusions on which to base some strategies for the next goal. I already knew I wouldn’t be relying on my CGM readings at this next stage, but I really WASN’T sure what to make of these gels… And I’ve learned a ton over the last few weeks. I’ve also _finally_ learned to stay away from IOB. And to drink water. But here’s part 2 to yesterday’s numbers, and this one was on 2.5 units IOB and a fast drop early: Had some cookies after lunch today, and had to do insulin. I decided to run at the last minute and found myself starting with a relatively fresh IOB. Starting BG: 174 Mile .6: 123 Mile 1.1: 111 Mile 1.6: 81 CLIF gel (slow acting, not expecting a profound effect on BG) Mile 2.1: 66 Mile 2.65: 53 Glucose Liquid Shot (fast acting)— really feeling low Mile 3.2: 48 Mile 3.6: 62 Mile 4.2: 55 Mile 4.7: 65 Mile 5.0: 70 Really felt that low today, and I think it was a result of having the IOB and having a fast drop. I still had insulin on board when I did the Glucose Liquid Shot, and part of me thinks that even though it gave me a good boost, it was short lived with my still having insulin and being in the act of running. I’ve been warned about having that insulin working, but now I really understand and will be more motivated to avoid it. I also think I have what I need to really make sure I’m grabbing the right kinds of carbs. I think I’ll pack up my GU and CLIF and put them away. I won’t throw them away because I think they MIGHT be helpful on longer runs, but they’re not good for anything on the short stuff. CGM numbers today: Starting BG: 174 D: 164 G: 146 Mile .6: BG: 123 D: 160 G: 151 Mile 1.1: BG: 111 D: 147 G: 147 Mile 1.6: BG: 81 D: 143 G: 146 CLIF Mile 2.1: BG: 66 D: 119 G: 131 Mile 2.65: BG: 53 D: 84 G: 115 Glucose Liquid Shot Mile 3.2: BG: 48 D: 48 G: 98 Mile 3.6: BG: 62 D: LOW G: 81 Mile 4.2: BG: 55 D: —- G: 68 Mile 4.7: BG: 65 D: —- G: 60 Mile 5.0: BG: 70 D: 48 G: 57 I’ve enjoyed watching the numbers, but I’ve found what I was looking for and will be happy to run without doing all of this. I’ve ordered the book. Tuesday I’ll start reading. ---
**Author:** ![Trying](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/trying/32/4078_2.png) [@Trying](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Trying)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1114 "2019-03-04T12:29:01Z")
Excellent review!! I know it took a toll on you, too, with the lows! 🤕 I agree with you, too, on IOB, best to have 0 on board when starting!! I’ve had the same experience ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1115 "2019-03-04T22:07:32Z")
> [@Trying](#): > > Excellent review!! I know it took a toll on you, too, with the lows! 🤕 Thank you, and it did. But I’m stupid like that, so I’m used to it. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1116 "2019-03-05T01:54:26Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > In the mean time, run by feel. Have someone pick a speed on the treadmill for you, between 6 mph and 8 mph. Cover up the display on your treadmill with a towel and see if you can determine the pace without looking. Run at that pace for an RPE of 4-6, without looking at the distance. Get the GPS in your body and head tuned in. Know what every speed feels like. So I had a wonderful run today, but I couldn’t do it exactly like this. There was no one around to pick a speed for me, so that kind of killed any _determining the pace without looking_, but I still kept to the 4-6 RPE piece. I also danced for a half hour before I ran. I already know that’s not a great strategy, but sometimes it just happens. I had a very stable BG before dancing, with no IOB, so I took a couple of glucose tablets. Then I got on the treadmill. I decided I would set it on 7.0 and just run to see how that feels. I did 4 miles at 7.0 at a comfortable RPE of 6 but decided to stop when I started working harder. In reality, I’m not sure it was the running that made me feel like I was working harder or the blood sugar, but I figured you hadn’t specified—- so I decided just to cut it. Starting BG: 103 \*CLIF (23g-decided it might help cover some of the drop from the dance— just trying stuff) Mile 1: 83 \*glucose tablet (4g) MIle 2: 77 \*4g MIle 3: 67 \*4g Mile 4: 59 \*8g Mile 4.25: dropped to a 6.5 speed \*1.5 units Mile 5: BG: 84 and done No insulin on board today, but I had that 30 minutes of dancing on board. 🙄 I can dance afterwards. It’s no different than a bolus, so I’ll try to avoid that next time. ---
**Author:** ![TiaG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/tiag/32/594_2.png) [@TiaG](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TiaG)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1117 "2019-03-05T01:56:31Z")
“oil pulling” apparently does have some weak evidence of benefit in a few studies. That said, I tried it for a while and found it exhausting. ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1118 "2019-03-05T02:31:28Z")
> [@TiaG](#): > > “oil pulling” apparently does have some weak evidence of benefit in a few studies. T I had read that, too. Only reason I haven’t dropped it completely— that and because my mouth feels so clean afterwards. > [@TiaG](#): > > That said, I tried it for a while and found it exhausting. I agree. It’s not exactly my favorite process. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1119 "2019-03-05T03:16:42Z")
The RPE was good today. Just going by feel is what we wanted for the day, so that was perfect. I think you will like the Primes. You could have taken just one at mile 3 and that would have been all you needed for the whole run. How long will it take to get them from the place you ordered them from? Did you turn off your basal for the run today? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1120 "2019-03-05T04:32:42Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > I think you will like the Primes. You could have taken just one at mile 3 and that would have been all you needed for the whole run. I know. I was forced to go back to my chalky glucose tabs so was trying to just do one at a time. That wasn’t with spectacular results. > [@Eric](#): > > How long will it take to get them from the place you ordered them from? I’ll double check, but I think they’re supposed to be here within the next day or two. I hope. I can’t wait to try one. If it hadn’t been for the kind of _”tired” low_, I think I had another mile or two (??) in me. > [@Eric](#): > > Did you turn off your basal for the run today? Not before I ran, but I did let it suspend, which it did just a few minutes into the run. Now that I’m back being able to get myself stable heading into the run though, I think I’ll start trying to get at least a 20 or 30 minute ZB to take some of that load off in the carb department. And because it’ll mean I stop cheating with the coffee. 😐 Tomorrow? Same run, different pace?? ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1121 "2019-03-05T04:35:38Z")
Yeah, I think doing a ZB would help you a lot. Have an easy run tomorrow. We’ll get you back to work soon enough. Assignments going okay? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1122 "2019-03-05T04:44:23Z")
Assignments are going okay. I have logs… they’re blank, but i’ll start putting words and numbers on them tomorrow. And my book should be here tomorrow… and then there’s the race. I sent you another idea… maybe it’s a possibility?? I did get a little overwhelmed looking for a race today and then crashed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1123 "2019-03-05T04:47:01Z")
Light tomorrow… so not another RPE 6 thing??? Or could that be considered light?? Also need to order the foot thing. And get an MRI scheduled. Dragging my feet on those… pun intended and nailed. Get it? It’s a double pun with the “feet” AND “dragging” which was my hip injury. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1124 "2019-03-05T05:23:33Z")
6 is not light. 1-2 is nothing. 3-4 is light. 5-6 is moderate. 7-8 is hard. 9-10 we save. Go light tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1125 "2019-03-05T07:04:06Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > I hide mine under my desk… I’m imagining a whole building full of children hiding under desks. Thank goodness for streaming television and headphones? ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1126 "2019-03-05T13:19:53Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > 6 is not light. > > 1-2 is nothing. > 3-4 is light. In my own defense, the original run was _4-6 RPE_… so one might interpret that as there being a remote possibility, albeit _very remote_, that there could be a run today that is considered light but falls near a 6 RPE… But I’ll just go light. 😁 I’m food loggin’. It’s on. _And_, for the _record_, I do not lie about my food stuff. I might not be _up front_ and tell you what I’m heading into the pantry to do, but I’m not going to lie about what happened in there. 😋 ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1127 "2019-03-05T16:24:11Z")
Good for you to get your food amounts figured out. But keep in mind, the only thing I am looking for is grams of carbs, protein, and fat, plus insulin. I am not going to get into a dissertation about what is healthy to eat and so forth. So don’t worry about that. I simply want to know if you are getting enough fuel for training. So you don’t need to have a bunch of detail in it. Just totals. ---
**Author:** ![T1Allison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c77e96/32.png) [@T1Allison](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/T1Allison)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1128 "2019-03-05T16:28:41Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > So you don’t need to have a bunch of detail in it. Just totals. I’ve had people diplomatically phrase things this way to me when they wanted me to not go overboard on something…or “to go all Allison” on something. So @Nickyghaleb, don’t “go all Nicky”…I think is what’s being said. ---
**Author:** ![Eric](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/eric/32/9209_2.png) [@Eric](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1129 "2019-03-05T16:49:42Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > So @Nickyghaleb, don’t “go all Nicky”…I think is what’s being said. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nickyghaleb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Nickyghaleb](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Nickyghaleb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398/1130 "2019-03-05T17:13:15Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > So @Nickyghaleb, don’t “go all Nicky”…I think is what’s being said. 🤣🤣 Yeah, that’s what I heard. [Previous page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398.md?page=55) [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dn-s-running-and-other-mishaps-thread/4398.md?page=57)