# Dear UHC, similar is not the same! Humalog is NOT Novolog! **URL:** \ **Category:** Insurance\ **Created:** [November 10, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452 "2018-11-10T00:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/1 "2018-11-10T00:39:17Z")
šŸ˜” ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/fudiabetes/original/2X/e/ec8316ac95e0e2fb648d82ce755aba6098619f74.jpeg) Because Iā€™ve got _nothing_ better to do than fight UHC at the holidays. Good times. ETA: the back of the letter seems imply we can argue this. ---
**Author:** ![T1Allison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c77e96/32.png) [@T1Allison](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/T1Allison)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/2 "2018-11-10T02:02:31Z")
I hate it when insurance companies pull this BS. If I use my mail order pharmacy, they try to force everyone on Humalog. If I go to brick-and-mortar pharmacies, I am allowed to get any insulin. Good luck. Maybe your endo can help out. Sorry, dude. ---
**Author:** ![MM2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/mm2/32/3032_2.png) [@MM2](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/MM2)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/3 "2018-11-10T02:12:04Z")
> [@T1Allison](#): > > If I use my mail order pharmacy, they try to force everyone on Humalog. If I go to brick-and-mortar pharmacies, I am allowed to get any insulin. Thatā€™s interesting. I donā€™t think my plan works that way but certainly worth checking into (CVS,Caremark). I do know that at local CVS I can use discount cards, but not with Caremark mail order. I have used both Humalog and Novolog, and glad Novolog is currently the preferred brand. But next year could changeā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![mike\_g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@mike\_g](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/mike_g)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/4 "2018-11-10T03:30:50Z")
Thatā€™s a bummer. I wish you well in your protest. Maybe a letter from your doctor will help? Or, if you have high deductible insurance like me, pay cash for the insulin, where it can be had cheaplyā€¦ No insurance dictating my insulin selections. (Aside rant):. The doctor should be the one specifying the drugs, not the insurer! ---
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/5 "2018-11-10T04:35:55Z")
> [@mike\_g](#): > > The doctor should be the one specifying the drugs, not the insurer! > [@T1Allison](#): > > I hate it when insurance companies pull this BS. Totally agree!! Maybe this happens every year and I just didnā€™t know it? Because we switched to Novolog mid-year, due to the fact that it lasts longer in the Omnipod than the Humalog did for us. Either way, I doubt my insurance company **ever** has our best interest in mind. We already pay an increased price for the Novolog over the Humalog cost because itā€™s not the preferred selection. If we do have to pay full price I suppose weā€™d hit the out of pocket maximum quickly? Or maybe I feel a trip to Canada coming on? Iā€™ll get on the letter from our CDE/Endo thing soon and see if we can resolve it. There is medical necessity in this case thatā€™s been demonstrated. Iā€™ll keep you posted. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/thomas/32/1719_2.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Thomas)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/6 "2018-11-10T11:35:57Z")
> [@TravelingOn](#): > > We already pay an increased price for the Novolog over the Humalog cost because itā€™s not the preferred selection. If we do have to pay full price I suppose weā€™d hit the out of pocket maximum quickly? If the non-preferred selection counts against your max OOP (potentially it does NOT) and If you would be hitting your max OOP during the year anyway (potentially you might NOT otherwise) Then really it makes no difference in the total expenditures over the course of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/7 "2018-11-10T16:46:00Z")
> [@Thomas](#): > > Then really it makes no difference in the total expenditures over the course of the year. Nice analysis! We hit our max OOP every year and I never thought of that. Duhā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/8 "2018-11-10T18:26:42Z")
> [@Thomas](#): > > Then really it makes no difference in the total expenditures over the course of the year. Interesting! I see your point! Unfortunately, I have no head for numbers. And generally we do not reach our out-of-pocket maximum, even despite having had the roughest health year personally on record, we havenā€™t hit it yet. But the insulin would blow through it in about 4 months. I think I feel some math and my future. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/9 "2018-11-10T19:31:34Z")
This seems to happen every couple of years with almost every insurance company ā˜¹ It has not affected us to switch so far. But if it did we would argue medical necessity. I do like the Novolog Echo pen better though, because it has the last dose info, and because it is a bit narrower than the Humalog deluxe pen (Luxura?). ---
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/10 "2018-11-10T20:24:56Z")
> [@Michel](#): > > I do like the Novolog Echo pen better though, because it has the last dose info, and because in it a but narrower than the Humalog deluxe pen (Luxura?). Thatā€™s actually a good tip! I was reading another thread where you were explaining about filling the pod from the pan, and even though we got the Novolog Penfills, we just use the Omnipod syringe. Which is silly. We need to switch! ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/12 "2018-11-11T04:33:25Z")
Two comments. The first is that all this talk about hitting OOP doesnā€™t apply to TravelingOn because of the last paragraph in the letter shown in the original post. It states clearly that any purchase after 1/1/19 will not be reimbursed and also will not count toward any deductable or OOP maximum. So itā€™s a good idea, but be careful (Thomas pointed out this hazard when he raised the idea.) The second is that Iā€™m really surprised that UHC is only forcing this switch now: in my case they made me switch from Novolog to Humalog quite a few years ago. I guess it depends on the negotiation with each separate group plan or something. ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/13 "2018-11-11T05:14:12Z")
This is grand. We have UHC, and I havenā€™t done a refill on my Novolog in months because I was waiting on our FSA card to be reloaded in Janā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![TravelingOn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/travelingon/32/1583_2.png) [@TravelingOn](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/TravelingOn)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/14 "2018-11-11T05:34:27Z")
> [@bkh](#): > > It states clearly that any purchase after 1/1/19 will not be reimbursed and also will not count toward any deductable or OOP maximum. Hahahha. Amazing. Apparently in addition to bad at math I should question my reading skills. Honestly, I came across this letter during a six hour spell of trying to pay my medical bills and **they** were taking all of my attention. (I never finished paying them because it takes 7-10 business days for providers to mail me itemized statements because itā€™s ā€œsensitive informationā€ they canā€™t provide over their web app. And there were a bunch of errors! Grrrr!) Anyhow I figured I would re-read and plan my strategy come Monday. Also, I thought maybe other folks might run into the same thing. But your point @bkh is probably spot on - depends on the plan!! šŸ˜€ ---
**Author:** ![DaveJ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/davej/32/3471_2.png) [@DaveJ](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/DaveJ)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/15 "2018-11-13T07:44:29Z")
Donā€™t feel picked on just yetā€¦ The similar letter I received about 2 months ago told me that Novolog was going to be out effective Oct 1st, 2018, and I would have to be switched to Admelog (another new similar) instead. And, no surprise, disposable pens wouldnā€™t be covered unless for juvenile patients, just like the previous Novolog restriction. So far, the pharmacy is still filling my Novolog scripts, even though the deadline has come and gone. How long that will continue is anyoneā€™s guess. But based on past experience, one that door closes, it will take 17 crowbars and 2 dozen sledgehammers to try and get it opened again. (i.e., doctor does all of the paperwork to contest, gets, a small extension, then has to do the same paperwork again, and again, repeat on endless cycle until doctor says ā€œNot doing this againā€) In the meantime, I did actually get some Admelog to test drive,. and it does indeed appear to work virtually identical to Novolog, for me at least. As in all things diabetes, your actual mileage may vary. ---
**Author:** ![ay0hkay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@ay0hkay](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ay0hkay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/16 "2019-01-02T17:48:20Z")
Iā€™ve been using Novolog (and very recently started on Fiasp) for as long as Iā€™ve been on a pump (since 2003) and just this year my new insurance (my employer is switching carriers/plans) is not going to cover it (in favor of Humalog) so Iā€™m at a crossroads myself. I have a decent cushion of Novolog right now (probably ~6 months worth in the fridge - but only a couple months worth of Fiasp) and am also looking for a new job (not really due to the benefits change, though the benefits change certainly isnā€™t making me want to stay) so Iā€™m trying to decide if I should jump through the hoops for Prior Auth on the Fiasp or just wait until I get a new job to start any rigmarole. They also say they will no longer be covering my Victoza (which I also needed Prior Auth for with the last carrier) so Iā€™m thinking I may focus my early efforts there since I donā€™t have more than a couple months supply on handā€¦ Oh, the joys of dealing with insurersā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/aaron/32/1454_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/17 "2019-01-03T18:02:05Z")
As I Canadian, I get lost on how US insurance companies know better than you or your doctor what medications you should be usingā€¦ I have used all three types of insulin you mention and would be pretty mad if my insurance would not cover Fiasp versus Humalog. They are quite different in my experience. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudnDaye](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/claudndaye/32/5_2.png) [@ClaudnDaye](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/ClaudnDaye)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/18 "2019-01-03T18:39:43Z")
Welcome to one of the wonderful perks of being an American :sarcasm: ---
**Author:** ![T1john](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/t1john/32/5546_2.png) [@T1john](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/T1john)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/19 "2019-01-03T18:47:47Z")
I have Florida blue bcbs and they will not cover humalog, doc sent in script for novolog (for my pump) and local pharmacy wanted 100$ for month supply (3 vials) contacted insurance carrier who transfered me to there performed contracted pharmacy and it 125$ for 3 month supply. Now all I have to do is find a supplier for my medtronics pump supplies. Medtronics wonā€™t sell to me says I have hold on my account. Any one no one, will probably have to try insurance costumer service, called there pharmacy, they only sell meds. Never stops does it. ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/20 "2019-01-03T20:26:33Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > As I Canadian, I get lost on how US insurance companies know better than you or your doctor what medications you should be usingā€¦ Not quite. They just know what theyā€™ll pay for. If your doctor prescribes something ā€œnot on the formularyā€ you are still allowed to get it, but you must pay the price yourself rather than having the insurance pay a portion. And that price may well be manyfold higher than the price customarily agreed between insurance companies and the manufacturer. Sometimes it is possible to get a special permission to have a non-formulary item covered by the insurance, if your physician can convince the insurance company that the formulary item is not suitable in your case. But thatā€™s a fight that you may not win. ---
**Author:** ![bkh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/da6949/32.png) [@bkh](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/bkh)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452/21 "2019-01-03T20:33:40Z")
> [@T1john](#): > > Now all I have to do is find a supplier for my medtronics pump supplies. Byram Healthcare can supply Medtronic pump supplies in the USA (and supplies for other pumps and for CGMs). Iā€™ve had a consistent good experience with them over the years, although Iā€™ve read that some folks have had difficulties. They can be reached at 877-902-9726. You can order Medtronic reservoirs from [adwdiabetes.com](http://adwdiabetes.com) without a prescription. ADW Diabetes is a real company, not some dodgy darknet site. Infusion sets do require a prescription. Their phone is 877-241-9002. [Next page](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dear-uhc-similar-is-not-the-same-humalog-is-not-novolog/5452.md?page=2)