# Dawn Phenomena **URL:** \ **Category:** Treatment\ **Tags:** dawn-phenomenon\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147 "2017-09-25T22:15:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![docslotnick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/docslotnick/32/75_2.png) [@docslotnick](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/docslotnick)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/1 "2017-09-25T22:15:06Z")
I read about diabetics having Dawn phenomena, where their Bg spikes in the morning for no apparent reason. I generally have the opposite dawn effect. When I wake up and start moving around my Bg goes down. Like this morning at 6:30am my Bg was 140. I got up 15 minutes later and it dropped to 90 just before I stumbled into the shower. By the time I was dressed and out the door I was in the low 70’s. This is usual enough that I wouldn’t even consider correcting a mild high first thing in the morning. I have never in my life been a morning person. I really don’t get moving well until I’ve been awake for a couple of hours. I wonder if my liver doesn’t dump glycogen in the early morning. Does anyone else have this “reverse” dawn phenomenon? ---
**Author:** ![Pianoplayer7008](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/pianoplayer7008/32/1507_2.png) [@Pianoplayer7008](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Pianoplayer7008)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/2 "2017-09-25T23:17:18Z")
Interesting. I experienced this while I was on basal insulin, though not quite that dramatic a drop. Not sure if I’m still experiencing it…as I don’t check my BG in the mornings until I am about to dose for breakfast (preoccupied with children, and it’s never high). I’m also not at all a morning person, despite my children’s attempts to turn me into one. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/thomas/32/1719_2.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Thomas)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/3 "2017-09-26T01:42:43Z")
We are in the DP = UP category. Currently being handled by a programmed 40% basal increase. ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/4 "2017-09-26T01:55:09Z")
> [@docslotnick](#): > > Like this morning at 6:30am my Bg was 140. I got up 15 minutes later and it dropped to 90 just before I stumbled into the shower. How interesting! My son is also the opposite. He does not typically show dawn phenomenon, but feet-on-the-ground insulin: the moment his feet hit the floor he goes up, 20-30 (he needs insulin). He drops some of that in the shower 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/aaron/32/1454_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/5 "2017-09-26T02:44:42Z")
@docslotnick I fall into the dawn drop group (now that there are two of us it is definately a group). I have a steady basal all night and when I get up my BG drops. By the time I get in the car there is a angle-down arrow on the CGM. I do however suffer from a mid-morning rise where my BG goes up around 10 to 11am. When I was on MDI I used to take a unit of Humalog around 9:30 or 10am. Like you I am not a morning person. It takes a huge effort to get out of bed and I am half asleep for at least half an hour after I wake up. So I can back you up with evidence or perhaps ancedote to support your theory about your liver. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/chris/32/382_2.png) [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/6 "2017-09-26T02:47:52Z")
We are in the Dawn Up camp. Insulin is our friend in the am. ---
**Author:** ![Millz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/millz/32/12204_2.png) [@Millz](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Millz)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/7 "2017-09-26T02:54:16Z")
Yes!!! No matter how balanced I have my basal I have this issue (BG drops between 5-7 am most days. 🙂️ ---
**Author:** ![Irish](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/irish/32/57_2.png) [@Irish](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Irish)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/8 "2017-09-26T05:19:01Z")
It’s really weird. Initially after my dx, I was in the up group, needing insulin before my feet swung down out of bed (aka: feet hit the floor insulin). These days, more often than not, I tend to be in the down group mirroring @Millz’s experience. Not really sure what the difference is there. As usual, I tend to suspect hormone fluctuation, since my dx came during pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![CatLady](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/catlady/32/36_2.png) [@CatLady](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/CatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/dawn-phenomena/2147/9 "2017-09-26T14:50:11Z")
I can go either way and so can’t do any kind of preset basal change. Just one more weird thing about diabetes…