Daisy Mae's swimming BG thread

PS: the jump at 1:15pm of 137 to 1:30pm’s at 161 both happened BEFORE i started swimming. WTF ???

The walk to the pool is a bit like exercise. Not as much as swimming, but a slightly elevated HR from the walking.

So maybe 2 hours of disconnect is worth trying.

Even though overall ending up at 123 is kinda right where you would want to be!

see, here’s the deal: why such a speedy an elevation? its almost like my body is just realizing that my basal has been turned off at the 2 hour mark and then decided to just jump right in and shoot out some glucose. why one minute one thing, and then 1/2 hour later, such a big rise?

am i making sense? my train of thought is that if i leave for the pool when i am at 115, i can short-stop the elevation, and get into the pool before it starts.

would love to hear back from you about this train of thought.

one more thing: i bolused for my missed basal with 1.5 units post swim. it was still too much. went low 2 hours later. what % of my basal should i be replacing? yesterday i gave myself 2 units for the 4.5 hours off basal, and that really crashed me. (so today i tried a little less with the 1.5) i am “recovering” over the w/end and fueling up for monday’s swim. i would like to make monday’s swim intense as well. whats your guess about basal replacement units? should i give 1 unit a try? or maybe 1.2 units?

sent you a PM about lowering my TB rate b/c of too many lows and too much chocolate. (as if that were even possible :blush: . )

This is just a guess, but when you are walking to the pool, your body is anticipating the workout, getting a little bit excited about it, and possibly you are getting a bit nervous about your BG and what will happen, the adrenaline starts flowing, and all those things can contribute to a bit of a spike.

Once you get into the pool, you get settled into your swimming rhythm, your adrenaline settles down a bit, and your BG starts behaving a bit more normally.

Just a thought - what do you think?!?

I think it is progressive. As the week goes on, your body becomes a little more glycogen depleted, and you will drop a bit more. I am guessing you have less glycogen on Friday than you do on Monday, and you will need less insulin on Friday than Monday, because your body is using more of the glucose to replace the glycogen on Friday than it did on Monday.

So perhaps sliding down from 2.5 to 1.0 as the week progresses?

Alternatively, you can keep the amount of insulin the same and just crash those carbs right after! I had a sugar soft drink today when I finished! Not because of a low, but just to restore.

that deff makes sense, but why all off a sudden such a quick rise?from 115 to 165 isnt that rather substantial…more so than just excitement and anticipation?

I don’t think a 50 point jumps from adrenaline is anything at all, compared to some of the things I have seen. I can get 100 point jumps from exercise, in a matter of 30 minutes. No food, just exercise.

ok. so IYHO, you would have me continue on the same formula as i have been using?

and btw, last night and today was a BG nightmare. i kept going down to 40s. ate and ate and ate, but couldnt bring BGs up,so I had to set an over-night TB of 80%, which helped a lot, but in the morning when my BG was in target range, i turned it off. i had a high carb/ high protein bfast and then my BGs plummeted to 60, while i had just programmed my pump to deliver a lot of insulin. i could feel myself going down, about to crash, just after i finished eating. i have been stuffing chocolate and bread and Gtabs into my mouth as fast as possible, and i re-lowered my TB.

this is exhausting. at least i am learning something about my body; yesterday was a really high intensity swim. i think that this is just the reprecusion. i will know what to expect for next time. i am testing a lot today to see where my BG levels are going: my tiny fingers are being tortured. :disappointed_relieved:

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So as the week progresses, and as you do higher intensity on some days, that is a typical result.

Each day, Mon-Fri, you drive your car and burn gas (muscle glycogen) and each day you put in some gas (carbs). But you don’t completely put in as much gas as you are using. By the time you get to the end of the week, your gas tank is almost empty.

Everything you eat, your body is using to replace the muscle glycogen. Coach has some formulas for that, based on intensity and duration.

my BG finally came up to 90. i doubt i have ever eaten so much chocolate in my lifetime. even before i was D :blush: .

what do you think about setting a secondary profile of basal rates based upon the intensity of my workouts? would this be easier than just doing a TB each time? oh, i dont know.

this is all so confusing. all i know is that yesterday (as well as the day’s before) swim was a high intensity workout. its over 24 hours now and i am still on a lowered TB.

and PS: i am deff sore today. i wanted to go out for a long walk with my husband, but it is 95 degrees out with high humidity, and i just wanted to stay inside with the a/c on high. :blush:

my BGs finally came up to 109. i am on a 90% TB. dont know how much longer i will need to stay on it. its already been over 24 hours since my swim.

i am telling you, i need to be a nuclear physisist to figure all these nuances out. things just keep on creeping up on me. if it aint one thing, its another. :blush:

Coach has a chart for this type of thing.

I just go by gut feeling mostly, but he has a chart that is customized. It factors hours of exercise and intensity, and tells you basal adjustments to make. I think you would like it.

OK. Thanks. when i speak with him i will mention what my needs are and then determine a plan that would best serve me. i know you mix up your runs; i do the same thing every day, besides the intensity of my swims. also, probably unlike you, i swim at the same time of day every day that i swim. i know that that can make a huge difference. this past week was a rough one. i just wanted to go faster and harder. maybe an ego thing.(or a winner thing)

i just remember you saying that the only person you have to beat is yourself. thats what i was trying to do :blush:

just tested ( @ 4:30pm ) and my BG was 171. finally. i turned off the TB and will eat dinner in about 1 hour. we’ll see what happens. at least this should be a guidline for me about how long i need to be on the TB for next time.

hopefully Monday’s swim will be as intense. I will have had this entire w/end to rest, recover and re-fuel.

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NEW PHASE OF EXPERIEMNTATION:

to keep everybody up-to-date on life unlimited, i am beginning a new phase of my experimentations; now that i have basically found a system to swim for 2 hours without crashing, i am challenging myself once again. this weekend taught me several new things about my D body: when i swim with great intensity, my body needs less insulin. i spent this entire last 24 hours correcting BG lows with every form of chocolate in my home. could not get above 60s until dinner time. at dinner time i was 160 and i turned off my TB, bolused for all my carbs and ate a nice healthy dinner. w/in 40 minutes, i went back down to 65. i took 2 GTabs and lowered my TB to 95%. (i was not home at the time that this happened, so i tried to be cautious and make a quick decision on how best to handle the situation….this is when i decided to take the Gtabs, even at just 65 —with 1.5 units IOB and lower, again, my TB) by 8pm my BG was 130. safe, i think. ( i will re-test in about 1/2 hour. )

i am uncertain if this is due to basal highs, or more to do with I:C ratios or ISF. i am noticing, throughout my swimming and post swimming days that what i would normally bolus for, i don’t seem to need quite as much insulin for. say, for example, my I:C ratio is 1 :10, now it seems that perhaps it is 1:12. here i am just guessing, b/c i am NOT either an expert in these matters, nor an exceptional qualified endocrinologist. (unlike my current one who is neither of the two :wink: ) all i know is that i promise to keep insanely prophetic notes on every bit of my days until i work out this glitch. there will be nothing stopping me from swimming with the joy that i am gleaning. i have goals i want to achieve and i refuse to let this damn D get in my way.

i need to add that this provoked an enormous argument with my spouse this evening. he started to lecture me, however gently, about how i am becoming obsessed with testing my BGs and focusing on my D. well, i gave him a piece of my mind. i am not the type of person who blows up easily. i am usually quiet and just do my own thing. but, when someone tries to tell me how i should not be living my life, i let them have it.well, i let him have it.

thats where i am at now. so, i am pledging to myself and to all of you that i will continue to move forward, and i ask of you to lend me all of your knowledge and support. i know that this can be accomplished because i want it to. answers are always out there; we just have to look for them :smile:

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I like this bold new DM. :grinning:

Keep in mind, your basal rates will change based on duration and intensity of your workouts. Workouts can also build upon each other until you get a rest day. For example, Monday’s basal will prolly be higher than Friday’s.

Fight the good fight, DM.

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Eric, i continue to wake up at 5am with the exact same BG: 47. i lowered my 3am basal from .6 to .55 where it stays for the duration of the day w/out any problems. but i dont know how to lower that one particular basal to avoid the crash. maybe go backwards and lower it starting at 2am .525/hour until 6am ?

also,as from this swimming i have noticed that i need less insulin for each bolus. this morning for a cup of decaf, i usually need to cover 20gms, this morning i covered 18gms. i havent checked yet (i will check 2.5 hours post; i am eager to see what my BG will be after giving myself less insulin. perhaps i evaded the morning crash…so, i am waiting another 1/2 hour before i test ) i’ll keep you posted.

PS: btw, i will be going on vacation for 3 days, beginning this wednesday the 26th of July for 3 days; i will not be swimming. then, i will be going to the beach for another 4 days, where is will not be doing laps. (just the ocean there, so i will only be doing wave surfing there and walks on the beach ). so i will have an accumulation of rest days with loads of re-fueling. i will be very curious to see how my body reacts to the rest period and how my physical needs will be for insulin (both basal and boluses )

and i will be back in the pool tomorrow to swim with modest intensity to keep fit for my vacation.

PPS: just emailed Coach. left you a PM

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