# Chloroquine and the president **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics\ **Created:** [April 1, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578 "2020-04-01T18:56:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/1 "2020-04-01T18:56:27Z")
I’ll only take them if I’m around mosquitos in which case they’ve been approved for decades. It’s a simple risk /reward Analysis… risk= essentially none, potential reward=not dying. Doesn’t take a brilliant evidence based clinician to pencil that one out. These are some of the most widely used drugs on the planet for reasons far less critical… it’s not like its some crazy concoction someone cooked up in a basement that nobody knows anything about the risks They weren’t the slightest bit controversial until the president expressed optimism about them. I see what’s going on here. Yes dr Birx and Fauci are brilliant—- and they weighed in and said they should be fast tracked, as did the fda… ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/2 "2020-04-01T19:14:47Z")
Booo. Bad move ---
**Author:** ![Michel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/michel/32/387_2.png) [@Michel](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Michel)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/3 "2020-04-01T19:14:53Z")
Let’s not make the main forum political. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/4 "2020-04-01T19:15:25Z")
The ones barking about how reckless treatments are just because they hate the president are the ones making it political ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/5 "2020-04-01T19:21:31Z")
The reason these are all of a sudden controversial, which they never were before, is because the president has been optimistic about their potential and cnn and msnbc, as per usual, piled on their political antagonists and trolls to make it sound like he was advocating something reckless. We all know that. These medications weren’t the slightest bit controversial before last week We don’t know if they work. There is some evidence they may, but not in the perfect forms we’d like to study it in which would take years. We know their minimal risks certainly outweigh the significant risks of dying. ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/6 "2020-04-02T00:52:22Z")
There have been no double blind placebo controlled studies to prove that one shouldn’t lick subway handrails in New York City in April 2020… but I’m convinced if certain people cautioned against it a lot of the people in this country would line up to do it ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/8 "2020-04-10T21:34:37Z")
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**Author:** ![Boerenkool](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/boerenkool/32/6307_2.png) [@Boerenkool](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Boerenkool)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/9 "2020-04-11T06:25:20Z")
If this translates to humans, T2s better watch out: > **[Fatal toxicity of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with metformin in mice](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.018556v1)** > > Guided by the principle of primum non nocere (first do no harm), we report a cautionary note on the potential fatal toxicity of chloroquine (CQ) or hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in combination with anti-diabetic drug metformin. We observed that the... ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/10 "2020-04-11T15:02:53Z")
In not aware of any counter indications they’re both so widely taken the world over We aren’t mice Apparently it has some anti hyperglycemic properties itself so can lower blood sugar… so I suppose diabetic patients need to be aware of that ---
**Author:** ![Boerenkool](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/boerenkool/32/6307_2.png) [@Boerenkool](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Boerenkool)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/11 "2020-04-11T17:25:49Z")
The study does appear to have some flaws: [https://pubpeer.com/publications/12C0F030E3881EE7417D30656898FC#1](https://pubpeer.com/publications/12C0F030E3881EE7417D30656898FC#1) ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/12 "2020-04-11T17:29:22Z")
Yeah you can overdose on anything. Nobody is suggesting for Hydroxychloroquine except cnn ---
**Author:** ![Sam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/sam/32/10595_2.png) [@Sam](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/chloroquine-and-the-president/9578/13 "2020-04-11T17:51:34Z")
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