# Bolusing for Cheese, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Type 1 & LADA\ **Created:** [July 8, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381 "2017-07-08T17:57:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/1 "2017-07-08T17:57:36Z")
I have a problem eating cheese. i have always had it, but i have always found it to be unpredictable. sometimes, i want to eat a handful of almonds with cheese as a snack. i do **not** bolus for this at all. even though it is a high fat snack, so long as i am not combining it with carbs, my BG remains quite stable (pretty much of a flatline). but, sometimes i eat something like a white egg omelet with spinach/tomato/ and feta cheese (no carbs there, right), and for whatever reason, i think i need to do a dual bolus; up front to cover the protein in the eggs, and maybe a square over 1.5 hours to cover the cheese. i am not eating any toast or home fries, etc with this meal, so i don’t understand why i need to cover for the feta cheese. (and BTW, i still have not found the insulin formula for this meal and others like it.) does anyone have an answer to this problem? does anyone have a solution? does anyone understand why this could be happening for me? all answers very much appreciated. SOS. i want to have this omelet for dinner tonight, and i don’t want to crash or spike. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/thomas/32/1719_2.png) [@Thomas](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Thomas)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/2 "2017-07-08T18:11:07Z")
I would suggest do a test. Do not bolus anything. See what happens. Then you know how/when to bolus next time (for this food at this time of day) perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/3 "2017-07-08T18:23:34Z")
i like your idea, but last week, i ate the same meal at the same time i plan to eat it tonight. i bolused to cover 10gms. i still went high several hours later; this is why i was thinking about doing a dual bolus. any other suggestions or ideas? ---
**Author:** ![literaturesnob18](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/literaturesnob18/32/105_2.png) [@literaturesnob18](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/literaturesnob18)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/4 "2017-07-09T15:05:23Z")
I have found that if I eat a meal with no carbs and don’t bolus, I spike. If I add just 5-10 grams of carbs I don’t. I believe I read something in a book, possibly either Gary Scheiner’s or Bernstein’s that recommended always having some carbs with protein and fat. If I can find the info I will post the source and quote it. When I first was diagnosed and seriously had no idea what the heck I was doing, I was extremely upset when I had poached eggs and tiny bit of mozzarella cheese and then spiked over 300. When I added a WASA cracker (7 grams) I didn’t spike to that extent, just 180. I pretty much have to bolus for everything. . ---
**Author:** ![cardamom](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/cardamom/32/2622_2.png) [@cardamom](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/cardamom)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/5 "2017-07-09T15:39:07Z")
When I eat just a little cheese or some other protein/fat, like a snack amount, I don’t have to cover it with anything. However, if I have a whole meal, I always need at least some insulin—low carb just means I can take a few units _after_ eating (with carbs I pre-bolus) and that will work well. So when I have an omelet with cheese and veggies I usually take 2-3 units after I’m eating and that works well. I’m on MDI using humalog, so that ends up having a pretty delayed peak relative to eating that seems to match the protein/fat rise (which is slower, lower, and much later than a carb-driven one). ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/6 "2017-07-09T16:29:39Z")
> [@cardamom](#): > > When I eat just a little cheese or some other protein/fat, like a snack amount, I don’t have to cover it with yes; this is exactly my situation. almonds with a slice of cheese dont require any bolus. but if i have an omelet w/ cheese, i need insulin. last night i tried an exeriment; i have a white egg omelet with spinnich, double order of feta cheese, and an extra egg white. i didnt have **any**. carbs w/ it; no toast or potatoes; i bolused for 10 gms and i stayed completely level. i went from 94BG to 105BG post 2 1/2 hours after dinner. i have no idea why this formula worked, but it did, so i will do the exact same thing next time 😄 . ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/7 "2017-07-09T16:35:27Z")
i was told to **always** eat carbs with a protein. i have no clue why; but i just know that if i were to have a tea and a slice of toast in the morning, i would spike…but, if i have the same meal but add an egg to it, i flatline. go figure. ---
**Author:** ![literaturesnob18](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/literaturesnob18/32/105_2.png) [@literaturesnob18](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/literaturesnob18)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/8 "2017-07-09T18:46:04Z")
When I was diagnosed I wasn’t told anything other than they hated my diet. I was vegan at the time, and was told that was horrible for PKD and lupus and deadly for diabetes. I was glad to stop vegan, it was a very hard plan to follow and I can’t say it did anything for my health. No one said I had to eat carbs, just to avoid them. Thank heavens for on-line communities otherwise there is no telling what I’d be doing. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/chris/32/382_2.png) [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/9 "2017-07-09T19:18:48Z")
Vegan would be tough. Not impossible, but I don’t have that many hours I want to dedicate to the kitchen. So what does your diet look like now? ---
**Author:** ![literaturesnob18](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/literaturesnob18/32/105_2.png) [@literaturesnob18](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/literaturesnob18)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/10 "2017-07-10T02:40:51Z")
Low carb, high fiber, lean meats, poultry, pork and fish. Nuts and seeds, cheese. Lots of leafy greens. I completely gave up vegan, it was making me miserable to be honest. I don’t know how I managed to do it for as long as I did. ---
**Author:** ![daisymae](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/daisymae/32/1199_2.png) [@daisymae](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/daisymae)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/11 "2017-07-10T13:29:55Z")
> [@literaturesnob18](#): > > I pretty much have to bolus for everything. . i just look at food and i have to bolus 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.fudiabetes.org/chris/32/382_2.png) [@Chris](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.fudiabetes.org/t/bolusing-for-cheese-etc/1381/12 "2017-07-10T14:53:53Z")
That looks very much like our current diet. Easy to cook for, easy to bolus for, tasty.